Why discontinue(quantum)characteristic ultimately relates with probability in QM?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between discontinuity in quantum mechanics (QM) and probability characteristics, particularly in the context of quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore how these concepts relate to measurement, wave functions, and the nature of observables in both classical and quantum physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the discontinuous spectral values in QM relate to probability characteristics, suggesting that these values correspond to an "integral measure" of observations.
  • Another participant argues that the inherently probabilistic nature of measurements means that results fall within a probability range, drawing an analogy to coin flips to illustrate the unpredictability of individual outcomes.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why classical physics exhibits deterministic characteristics while QM shows uncertainty, expressing confusion about deriving wave characteristics from discontinuous observation values.
  • It is proposed that the discontinuous values of observations relate to "creation and annihilation" operators, implying a connection to the statistical characteristics of QM arising from a variable number of quantum systems.
  • One participant discusses how particle-wave duality leads to probability characteristics and questions the probability characteristics of particle creation and annihilation processes in QFT.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no direct relation between discontinuity and uncertainty, arguing that many observables in QM are continuous and still adhere to the uncertainty principle, suggesting that the term "quantum mechanics" may be historically misleading.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea that the probability of creation or annihilation processes in QFT is an assumption generalized from uncertainty in QM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between discontinuity and uncertainty, with some asserting a connection while others argue against it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts in both QM and QFT.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the historical context of terminology in quantum mechanics and the potential confusion surrounding the interpretation of discontinuity and uncertainty. There are also unresolved questions about the derivation of wave characteristics from discontinuous values.

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Please teach me this:
Why discontinue(quantum) characteristic ultimately relates with probability characteristic in Quantum Mechanics(and Quantum Field Theory).It seem to me the discontinue spectral of an observation correspond with a ''integral measure'' of a type of integral.So the probability of finding the observation has a eigenvalue(meaning a certain value) in reality is this ''measure''.
Thank you very much in advanced.
 
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(Apologies if I've misunderestood the question, please let me know if I have)

Because the nature of what is being measured is inherently probabilistic, any results will yield only within the probability range. Whether or not this value was expected or not, before the measurement is made, there is no specific value.

Similar to flipping a coin. You can flip a coin once and get heads or tails. You KNOW both before and after it would be Heads or Tails, but stuill could never predict precisely what (ignoring the actual method of flipping, coin composition and environment).
So when numerous results yield ratio of 1:1 Heads:Tails, they fit perfectly with expected values, though ultimaterly, individual results are entirely probabilistic.
 
Dear Sir,
Please explain for me why in classical physics(non quantum mechanics in which a spectral of values of an observation is continue) there is the determinant characteristic(in imaginary experiment),but in the physics of the discontinue spectral value there is the uncertainty characteristic.Because I do not know clearly how to derive wave characteristic in QM from the discontinue characteristic of observation values.
 
It seem to me that the discontinue values of an observation correspond to ''creation and anhialation'' operators, so we have a changeable number of ''quantums'' system.Maybe the statistical characteristic of QM arise from this changeable system.
 
It seem that the particle-wave dual leads to probability characteristic and the wave function together the correspondence principle (wave functions+operators) leads to quantum characteristic(spectral of values) in Quantum Mechanics.But how about the probability characteristic of the creation and anhilation of particles(quantum) processes in Quantum Field Theory?
 
ndung200790 said:
Dear Sir,
Please explain for me why in classical physics(non quantum mechanics in which a spectral of values of an observation is continue) there is the determinant characteristic(in imaginary experiment),but in the physics of the discontinue spectral value there is the uncertainty characteristic.
There is no any direct relation between discontinuity and uncertainty. In fact, "quantum mechanics" (QM) is an inappropriate name because discontinuity is actually NOT an essential property of QM. Indeed, many observables in QM are continuous, and still obey the uncertainty principle. In fact, the inappropriate name "quantum mechanics" is stuck due to historical reasons, when it was thought a long time ago that discontinuity is more important than it really is.
 
So,the probability of creation or anhilation processes of a quantum of field(in Quantum Field Theory) is an a priori assumption which is generalized from the ''uncertainty'' in Quantum Mechanics?
 
ndung200790 said:
So,the probability of creation or anhilation processes of a quantum of field(in Quantum Field Theory) is an a priori assumption which is generalized from the ''uncertainty'' in Quantum Mechanics?
Yes (more or less).
 

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