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Why do computer generated faces differ from real ones?

  1. Aug 29, 2016 #1
    I've probably been wondering about this questions for years now. Why is it that even some of the best works fall short of looking undoubtedly real?

    Whether the face is plastic, or just on a screen, why is it that it looks unreal? Is it the lack of fine detail?

    I know there are exceptions but let's consider just the majority.
     

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  3. Aug 29, 2016 #2

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  4. Aug 29, 2016 #3
    That's true. Just looking at a photograph though, what would make it seem off though? The first image has a good amount of detail and good shading, so what would be missing?
     
  5. Aug 29, 2016 #4
    Hardware is a limitation in real-time rendering applications. Consoles and PCs still lack the horse power to render truly life-like CGI on the spot. There's also the fact that faces are particularly tricky objects to model and animate realistically.

    The best CGI is found in pre-rendered content--any type of static or motion picture.

    Who's real, who's CGI?

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  6. Aug 29, 2016 #5

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    Just a stab in the dark ... first (male) is CGI, second (female) is real.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2016 #6

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    Sounds similar to the hatred of "Mimes".

    Though, professional mimes claim that they never really met someone that hated them.

    [ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/284ux6/why_do_many_people_hate_mimes/]


    But, my theory is, that the people they met, were just being polite.
    Machines should look and act like machines, and people should look and act like people.

    Everything else, is just creepy.

    ps. See: Clowns. What the hell are clowns supposed to be, anyways. :oldsurprised:

    [edit] Ha! What did I tell you.....
    Which do you hate more: Mimes or Clowns?
    • Mimes
    • Clowns
    • I'm an Equal Opportunity Hater
    [ref: http://www.ihatemimes.com/] [Broken]​
     
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  8. Aug 29, 2016 #7

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    if that second photo ( the woman) is real and not a manikin ( I almost suspect it is, unless you can show me otherwise)
    then the photo editor has just gone overboard in photoshop ... nothing to do with the way the screen is rendering the image

    there is hardly a glamour/fashion image that isn't photoshopped these days before display


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  9. Aug 29, 2016 #8
    The woman in the second photo is not real, it's silicone skin :D
     
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    I disagree. Both of those photos are lacking in sufficient detail. But more importantly, the facial expressions are off, which is is the giveaway for me.

    Both in #4 look real to me. The lack of expression probably helps, but the texture complexity makes them far superior to the pictures in the OP.
     
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    The male has no "frown lines;" that's a "gimme." From the way the question/challenge was constructed, I had to gag down objections to the female (ears) and pick it as "live."
     
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  14. Aug 29, 2016 #13
    The first graphic looks like it's from Dead Space which is like 8 years old now and optimized so many systems can run it. Some of the top of the line look pretty darn scary close. Give it another 10 years and you won't know the difference.

    https://www.fastcodesign.com/304773...listic-computer-generated-skin-weve-ever-seen

     
  15. Aug 29, 2016 #14

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    More than virtally anything else, humans are adept at examining faces. A large part of our processing power is devoted to this.

    Ther are 7 billion people in the world, and yet we can identify a friend's face at 20 yards from virtually any angle except directly behind him, in a fraction of a second.

    It's what we do.
     
  16. Aug 29, 2016 #15

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    as I suspected

    so why are you trying to compare two totally different situations and then blame the computer for not giving a realistic outcome

    a little pointless


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  17. Aug 29, 2016 #16

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    I suspect that Oliver Sacks wouldnt recognize the difference as he was face blind.
     
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  19. Aug 30, 2016 #18
    The short answer to the title question is: Mainly because of the rendering engine used and how it is programmed.

    However, it also depends on the 3D graphics API (see a list here) used by the renderer and like mentioned above, how that library is used by the programmer/s. Another big dependency as to why they differ from real ones is that a lot of it will be decided on how the programmer or graphic designer works with the software (3D computer graphics software). That software can be a game engine, a 3D modeling software, a CAD software, or an exclusive 3D rendering software.

    The reason it is this way is because someone programs an application that communicates with a rendering library, that rendering library communicates with a driver and then that driver communicates with the GPU (Graphics Processing Unit). This is a very lengthy subject. If you are interested, the keywords you are looking for is: Rendering Pipeline. Here is a very basic slide in which you could maybe find more keywords to search and study: https://www.ics.uci.edu/~majumder/VC/classes/geomgraphics.pdf

    The subject itself is complex. Not for being lazy, but I can tell you that if you read a book of Mathematics for Game Developers you will see part of the whole mathematic world behind it as well as the plethora of ways to approach 3D rendering. It gets complex pretty fast and some things you simply cannot understand unless you are well versed in differential equations (referring specifically to animations and real time rendering). For example, one filtering in texture mapping make the rendering hardware examine some partial derivatives of interpolated components of a texture and it does so with a given differential equation. Yet this is only one method of texture mapping. It would be the programmer/s of the rendering engine, the users of the rendering engine, or the designer/s, the ones to choose which method to use for mapping and that will have different results in the final rendered image.

    And so on goes the list of variables that affect the rendering of objects.

    All in all, the answer is that there are many variables that affect the rendering.

    If you ask for my opinion, which you did not, I would tell you that based on my understanding and knowledge, we have the mathematics and tools required to render resembling enough faces to a level in which they cannot be differentiated. What we don't have for the public (you and me) is the widespread access to the work of individuals with intellect enough to use that mathematic and tools to create or help create something that astonishes us and makes us think it is real. Rendering something like that would require a huge human effort and intellect; and things that require huge human efforts and intellect are scarce.
    I beg to partially differ on the first sentence. I think the mathematics and tools are more than good enough. What is not good enough is the effort put into making the software and the effort of the designer of the models like I mentioned above. On the second sentence I agree, real time rendering of highly realistic objects with and ordinary user computer at the moment of writing this is very hard because it lacks the resources.

    In your third sentence I also agree, that is a fact and variable to take into consideration when looking at OP's question. It is tricky and like I mentioned above, requires huge human efforts which are scarce.
    True. Pre-rendered content contains more detail that would be hard or would require more processing resources than an ordinary individual's computer would have available for real time rendering. Hence, looking better to the human eye. That's why some game engines give you the option to pre-render content and pack it in the game which increases the size of the game, but gives more realistic graphics.
    I think both of them are CGI. The first one has a logo, the second one's scene was not rendered real enough for my eyes and the lightning shades of the neck are not on par with the amount of light striking the lower eye and nose.

    Had the first one not had a logo I could have mistaken it by real. Yet a closer inspection shows lightning in the neck muscles that give away the mesh construction.
     
  20. Aug 30, 2016 #19
    I think he is real but she isn't. Look at her ear which is graphically constructed. Its border needs to be blurred out a little more to make her look more real.
    On the other hand, the man was naturally constructed with asymmetrical ears. He doesn't look handsome with wrinkles and there seem to be two light sources on him (from the back and the top) though.
     
  21. Aug 31, 2016 #20
    Looking at the animation in the link in #13, it does make you realize what a big role the stretch marks in our skin play in convincing us a face is real. I do realize my second picture in the first post was not CGI, but still worth mentioning nevertheless. If you look at the lips they have virtually no stretch marks or ridges.
     
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