Why do fractals and Pi have a special relationship?

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Fractals and Pi are discussed in the context of a thought experiment involving semicircles and their circumferences. The initial assertion that the sum of circumferences remains Pi as diameters approach zero is challenged, with clarifications on the mathematical principles of limits. It is emphasized that as the number of circles increases infinitely, the sum of their diameters approaches one, while the sum of their circumferences approaches Pi, not two. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately applying limits in mathematical reasoning, particularly in relation to fractals. Overall, the discussion illustrates the complexities and misconceptions surrounding the relationship between fractals and Pi.
  • #31
Archosaur said:
I agree, but just because not all of his logic is flawed doesn't mean \pi = 2

My point wasn't that he's correct, my point was that your criticism was incorrect; i.e. the act of assuming the existence of pi, and then having an argument that concludes pi=2, does not in and of itself invalidate the argument; rather you have to find a flaw in the argument itself to show the conclusion is incorrect.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
My point wasn't that he's correct, my point was that your criticism was incorrect; i.e. the act of assuming the existence of pi, and then having an argument that concludes pi=2, does not in and of itself invalidate the argument; rather you have to find a flaw in the argument itself to show the conclusion is incorrect.

I think it does invalidate the argument.

If someone were to say, "The sky is blue, so... (some questionable leaps of logic) ...therefore the sky is green.", their argument would be invalid. You couldn't have proven that the sky is purple by first stating that it is green.

He didn't just "assume the existence" of \pi,
he defined \pi as \pi/2.
He concluded that \pi = 2.

That's not a valid argument.
 
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Pi is a consistent mathematical ratio that is simply non-controversial in that respect.
 
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well, there is uniform convergence of the succession of functions of circles to the function

constant = 0 in the interval (say) [0,1] now the elements of the succession have a graph that has constant length \pi, but the limit has a graph of length 1.

Well that's not a paradox, also more complicate things can happen when you consider uniform convergence.

think of the functions defined in [0,1]

f_n(x) = \sin(1/x)/n when x \in (0,1] and

f_n(0) = 0 they all have infinite length yet they converge uniformly to the costant 0 in [0,1]
that has finite (unit) lenght.

That is no paradox: just something not very intuitive, that happen!
 

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