Why Do Hess's Law Calculations Show Discrepancies in Enthalpy Values?

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The discussion revolves around discrepancies in enthalpy values obtained from Hess's Law calculations based on experimental results from a lab involving sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid reactions. Participants explore potential sources of error and the implications of their findings on the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the enthalpy values for three reactions and attempts to apply Hess's Law to compare the sum of reactions 1 and 2 with reaction 3, noting a significant difference in enthalpy values.
  • Another participant suggests that the assumption of the specific heat capacity and density of the solutions being the same as water could account for the discrepancies in enthalpy values.
  • There is a question raised about the necessity of including an enthalpy change for the dissociation of hydrochloric acid into hydrogen and chloride ions.
  • One participant asserts that the three reactions provided should suffice for the exercise, emphasizing that the combined enthalpy values from reactions 1 and 2 yield the same equation as reaction 3, but the enthalpy values differ significantly.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the presence of hydroxide ions as spectator ions affects the enthalpy of reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the source of the discrepancies in enthalpy values. Multiple competing views regarding potential errors and assumptions remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the assumption that specific heat capacity and density of the solutions are equivalent to those of water, as well as the unresolved nature of the enthalpy changes related to the dissociation of hydrochloric acid.

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Homework Statement



I have been provided with the results of a lab:

Reaction 1:
NaOH(s) --> Na+(aq) + OH-(aq)
Reaction 2:
Na+(aq) + OH-(aq) + H+(aq) + Cl-(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq) + Cl-(aq)
OH-(aq) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l)
Reaction 3:
NaOH(s) + H+(aq) + Cl-(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq) + Cl-(aq)
NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq)

The enthalpies for each reaction:
∆H°r: -5.80 kJ (Reaction 1)
∆H°r: -5.06 kJ (Reaction 2)
∆H°r: -16.7 kJ (Reaction 3)

I have been asked to add the equations of 1 and 2 (Hess's Law), and to compare the sum with equation 3.

Homework Equations



Hess's Law.

The Attempt at a Solution



NaOH(s) --> Na+(aq) + OH-(aq) ∆H°r: -5.80 kJ (Reaction 1)
OH-(aq) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l) ∆H°r: -5.06 kJ (Reaction 2)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) + OH-(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) + OH-(aq) ∆H°r: -10.9 kJ (Reaction 1+2 intermediate)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) ∆H°r: -10.9 kJ (Reaction 1+2)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) ∆H°r: -16.7 kJ (Reaction 3)

So, as can be seen, the equations for reactions 1&2 are added and are identical to that of reaction 3. However, the enthalpies of reaction are way different. I do not know how I can account for this steep a difference, as all the lab results were provided with the question. The only difference is that, in the addition of reactions 1&2, there was a hydroxide ion on both sides of the equation that was canceled out (since I was asked for the net ionic equations for each reaction). Could this account for the difference, or does it have no role in the enthalpy of reaction, given that it is a spectator ion?

If I did nothing wrong, I suspect I am supposed to identify this discrepancy between reaction 1+2 with reaction 3.
 
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I'm looking into possible sources of error; the only thing I can think of is that the experimenters assumed the specific heat capacity of each solution to be same as that of water? As with density.

Could this account for the discrepancy?
 
mrxtothaz said:

Homework Statement



I have been provided with the results of a lab:

Reaction 1:
NaOH(s) --> Na+(aq) + OH-(aq)
Reaction 2:
Na+(aq) + OH-(aq) + H+(aq) + Cl-(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq) + Cl-(aq)
OH-(aq) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l)
Reaction 3:
NaOH(s) + H+(aq) + Cl-(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq) + Cl-(aq)
NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l) + Na+(aq)

The enthalpies for each reaction:
∆H°r: -5.80 kJ (Reaction 1)
∆H°r: -5.06 kJ (Reaction 2)
∆H°r: -16.7 kJ (Reaction 3)

I have been asked to add the equations of 1 and 2 (Hess's Law), and to compare the sum with equation 3.

Homework Equations



Hess's Law.

The Attempt at a Solution



NaOH(s) --> Na+(aq) + OH-(aq) ∆H°r: -5.80 kJ (Reaction 1)
OH-(aq) + H+(aq) --> H2O(l) ∆H°r: -5.06 kJ (Reaction 2)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) + OH-(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) + OH-(aq) ∆H°r: -10.9 kJ (Reaction 1+2 intermediate)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) ∆H°r: -10.9 kJ (Reaction 1+2)

NaOH(s) + H+(aq) --> Na+(aq) + H2O(l) ∆H°r: -16.7 kJ (Reaction 3)

So, as can be seen, the equations for reactions 1&2 are added and are identical to that of reaction 3. However, the enthalpies of reaction are way different. I do not know how I can account for this steep a difference, as all the lab results were provided with the question. The only difference is that, in the addition of reactions 1&2, there was a hydroxide ion on both sides of the equation that was canceled out (since I was asked for the net ionic equations for each reaction). Could this account for the difference, or does it have no role in the enthalpy of reaction, given that it is a spectator ion?

If I did nothing wrong, I suspect I am supposed to identify this discrepancy between reaction 1+2 with reaction 3.

How did you get H+aq? From HAaq?
 
chemisttree said:
How did you get H+aq? From HAaq?

Not sure what you mean by HAaq, but the hydrogen ions arise from the dissolution of hydrochloric acid.
 
Then shouldn't there be an enthalpy of HClaq -----> H+aq + Cl-aq?
 
I'm sure a solution can be found by those means, but the three reactions should be enough for this kind of exercise.

The first two equations combined yield the third equation, so there is no need for additional equations. The only issue is that the enthalpies are quite a bit off.

Do you believe that this difference can be accounted for by the fact that density & heat capacity of water was assumed for each solution? Or is there an error in any of my work?

Note that no experimental error can be attributed to my doing, since the data itself was provided with the question.
 

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