Why Do Noble Gases Remain So Stable?

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The discussion centers around the stability of noble gases and the reasons behind their preferred electron configurations, particularly the octet rule. Participants explore the theoretical and conceptual underpinnings of atomic stability, touching on topics from chemistry and physics, including electron orbitals and angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that a full octet of electrons represents an equilibrium point for atoms, leading to stability and a net charge of zero for noble gases.
  • Others question what specifically makes an octet configuration favorable and why it is considered an equilibrium point, asking why eight electrons are significant compared to other numbers.
  • One participant explains that the stability is related to the filling of s and p orbitals, which leads to a full octet, but acknowledges that this becomes complex with transition metals.
  • Another participant seeks a physics-based explanation, specifically regarding the role of angular momentum in atomic stability.
  • There is a clarification regarding helium and the definition of an octet, with a participant pointing out that not all noble gases have a traditional octet but rather full valence shells.
  • Some participants express a desire for a deeper understanding of the mechanics behind why atoms "want" to achieve a stable electron configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that noble gases are stable due to their electron configurations, but there is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the stability or the significance of the octet rule. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of electron configurations, particularly regarding the octet rule and the role of angular momentum. The discussion also highlights the complexity of atomic structure as it relates to different types of orbitals.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and individuals exploring atomic theory, electron configurations, and the interplay between chemistry and physics in understanding atomic stability.

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Hi, I am a student currently engaged in AP Physics B and AP Physics C, and I am curious as to why it is that most of the Noble Gases exhibit and exist in such a stable state. In AP Chem last year I learned that having a configuration in which the valence shell of an atom has eight electrons leads to a very electrically neutral and stable atom. I like to apply the knowledge I learn in physics to other fields, so I was just interested as to WHY the octet configuration is extremely stable. I asked my physics teacher, and he said it had something to do with conservation of angular momentum, so if anyone can elaborate on this I would appreciate it.

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I have looked this up in various textbooks but I have not gained the information I wish to obtain.
 
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A full octet of electrons is sort of an equilibrium point for atoms. Everything is even, there's a lot less disharmony in their configuration. All atoms on the Periodic table want to take the quickest path to a full octet they can. So, for the Alkali Metals, the quickest path for them is to lose an electron, giving them a positive charge and a full octet (or full s-orbital, in the case of Lithium). Similarly, the Alkali Earth Metals want to lose two electrons. On the other side of the chart, the Halogen family wants to pick up an electron, giving them a negative charge and a full octet.

The Noble Gases are the most stable because they have a full octet *and* a net charge of 0.

So they're basically willing to take on a charge if it means they can have a full octet, because of how it brings them to that sort of equilibrium.

Of course, the transition metals get more complicated because of their d-orbitals and f-orbitals, but that's the basis of it.
 
I understand the notion that atoms typically want to have an octet- metals like to lose electrons and non-metals, like fluorine for example, like to gain electrons to form such an octet. My question is WHAT makes an octet so favorable- in other words- why is there less "disharmony" in such a configuration, and why is it an equilibrium point for atoms? Why eight and not ten, or twelve, etc.?
 
That has to do with the electron orbitals. The smallest are s-orbitals, with each holding two electrons. The next up is the p-orbital, holding six electrons. If I recall correctly, all of the elements on the left and right sides of the periodic table have s or p orbitals as their 'outermost' orbital (there are also d and f orbitals, which are bigger, and are what trans-metals have as their outermost orbitals). Thus, filling their last set of s and p orbitals gives them an octet, which makes them happy.

This gets complicated quickly as you move into the concepts of quantum numbers and electron configuration if you haven't heard about the s, p, d, and f orbital set ups before.
 
I totally understand what you are telling me, with regards to the 4 quantum numbers and anything relating to it. What I am really looking for is a explanation from a physics standpoint. Like I mentioned earlier, what does angular momentum and its conservation have to do with such stable equilibrium?
 
Helium does not have an 'octet'. Of the remaining noble gases, only Neon and Argon have octets in their valence shell. Krypton and Xenon have 18 electrons in their valence shell, Radon has 32... not exactly 'octets' unless you define octets to mean that the outermost (valence) shell contains completely full s and p orbitals.
 
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Thanks for the clarification, but YES what I meant was the "octet" of electrons that are part of valence shell. So, what is so great about having these configurations? I am sure there has to be a reason why "eight" is the lucky number.
 
So your question is why does an 's' orbital contain 2 electrons and a 'p' orbital contain 6?
 
Not really. What I am aiming toward is more of the mechanics behind the configuration of this system. How is it synergistically balanced? Is the underlying concept conservation of angular momentum, or something else?
 
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I also want to know the answer to this. I think you're asking what are the mechanics of the atom, so that it "wants" to have 8 electrons in its outer shell. Can someone please give a good answer to this? I want to know and I feel like (no offense) no one who answered understood the question.
 

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