Why do Parallel Currents Attract?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of attraction and repulsion between parallel currents in wires, exploring the underlying principles of magnetic fields and forces. Participants inquire about the behavior of both AC and DC currents in this context, as well as the characteristics of magnetic fields that lead to these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that parallel currents attract or repel each other due to the magnetic fields generated by the currents, referencing the right-hand rule and Fleming's left-hand rule.
  • Others question the specific properties of magnetic fields that cause attraction or repulsion, seeking a more descriptive explanation beyond equations.
  • One participant suggests that currents obey an inverse square law similar to masses and charges, but with vector considerations.
  • Another participant notes that the behavior of AC currents differs based on whether they are fed into the same or opposite ends of the wires.
  • Some contributions mention the Lorentz force law as a fundamental principle governing the interaction between moving charges and magnetic fields.
  • There are remarks about the historical context of how magnetic fields were discovered in relation to electric currents.
  • A participant recalls a notion about magnetic fields arising from synchronized electron spin in conductive materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms behind the attraction and repulsion of parallel currents, with no clear consensus on the most satisfactory explanation. Some focus on technical rules and laws, while others seek a deeper understanding of the underlying characteristics of magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of magnetic fields and currents that are not fully articulated, and there are references to historical discoveries that may not be universally agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, electrical engineering, or physics, particularly in understanding the interactions of currents and magnetic fields.

  • #61
Chronos said:
apologies, you can't even describe it in 3 dimensions.

You got to 'splain that to me, Lucy. If I start another thread will you give me more details? I don't want to derail here.
Seriously, I want to understand this, though.
 
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  • #62
quantum spin is a way to differentiate all the difficulties of telling them apart. i don't think they actually 'spin' in the same way we would dance.
 
  • #63
A fivefold structure of reality?

Yes, it has no physical meaning to extend the concept of dimension to five; why don't we talk better about determining the state of a system in the complex plane, where both time and space are included, having then sort of fivefold structure of reality?
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Math Is Hard said:
I agree with Chronos. For instance, how would you draw a picture of a five-dimensional object? Math allows us to describe things even where our visualizations fail us.
 
  • #64
what_are_electrons said:
How 'bout drawings/pictures plus math to give a 1,000 and 1 words/descriptions? That way, us How To Dummies, can keep pace as best we can despite our illiteracy. That fair?

It won't help anyone keep pace. If someone doesn't know math, they can know no physics, pictures or not. Luckily though, this is also a math help board. Anyone who is behind on their math can get started learning and post questions in the appropriate sections...
 
  • #65
Chronos said:
Apologies. We only speak in 'math' because that is the only language of science that is known. Propose a better 'language' and go collect your nobel. In other words, I think you have mastered bull-speak... Just like the Andrew Grey. I have not even totally figured out the simplest dq equations of anything in the universe. Show me yours.

Chronos,

Anyone who has said anything in only words in this forum concerning any kind of theory always results in someone saying they're speaking "bull-speak". Show me otherwise.

I agree that math is nearly the only way to pose a theory properly. What I'm talking about is helping the people out there that may not have the education required to understand the formulas put forth, but would like to at least get some kind of grip on the concept these formulas represent. Obviously, you might use simplistic terms for someone who is not yet at an advanced level of understanding.

Or, are you saying that this forum is your own club and others of "limited" education shouldn't even be here. Everyone should be invited to learn as much as they can about science. There are too many people out there who know very little or nothing of science. Don't shut them out.
 
  • #66
This thread has gotten way off topic, Clearly it has ended any useful purpose.
 

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