Magnetism: Same Pole Repulsion & Heteropolar Attraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnets in relation to the Earth's magnetic field, specifically addressing same-pole repulsion and heteropolar attraction. Participants explore the implications of these interactions at the Earth's magnetic poles, the nature of magnetic forces, and the effects of the geomagnetic field on magnets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether magnets will still exhibit same-pole repulsion and heteropolar attraction when placed horizontally at the Earth's magnetic pole.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the forces involved in attraction and repulsion between magnets, with requests for clarification on how these forces can be quantified.
  • Some argue that the Earth's magnetic field is present and affects magnets, while others express skepticism about the nature of this interaction.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between torque and force, with some asserting that a uniform magnetic field primarily exerts torque rather than a net force.
  • There are claims that the attractive force of a magnet is related to the gradient of the magnetic field, leading to further questions about the validity of this assertion.
  • Some participants highlight the variability of magnetic field intensity and its implications for different objects, such as compass needles versus larger magnets.
  • There is a reference to the complexity of measuring forces between magnets, particularly when considering different types of magnets and their interactions with the Earth's magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the nature of magnetic interactions at the poles, the definition of magnetic forces, or the implications of the Earth's magnetic field on these forces. Disagreements persist regarding the role of torque versus force in magnetic interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the size of the magnets and the specific conditions under which they are tested can significantly affect the outcomes of experiments related to magnetic forces. There is also mention of the complexity involved in quantifying these forces mathematically.

  • #31
renormalize said:
a negligible 12 nanoNewtons.
Confirm again, 12 nanonewtons is the attraction between the magnet and the earth's magnetic field?
A new question is added here, if the earth's magnetic induction increases by 10,000 times, find the attraction between the magnet and the earth's magnetic field at this time.
 
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  • #32
If nothing saturates ( probably true in this situation) then it will increase by ten thousand. We are assuming that you know how to turn up the Earth field.....an unlikely circumstance.
 
  • #33
This thread seems to have run its course, so it will be closed now.

Hir is correct that the magnetic force on a magnet is caused by the gradient of the magnetic field (its non-uniformity), and without a gradient you only get a torque (which is why compass needles align with the magnetic field).
 
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