Why do people use a centrifugal force

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The discussion revolves around the concept of centrifugal force, particularly in the context of Earth's rotation and its effects on gravitational acceleration. Participants explore the validity of centrifugal force as a concept in physics, its classification as a pseudo force, and the implications of using different reference frames in analysis.

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  • One participant argues that centrifugal force is a pseudo force, emphasizing that it is not a real force but an apparent effect of inertia when in a rotating frame, such as when driving around a curve.
  • Another participant counters that centrifugal force is valid within a rotating reference frame and is necessary for equivalence with inertial frames, suggesting that both descriptions are legitimate.
  • A later reply humorously questions the existence of centrifugal force and rotating reference frames, implying skepticism about their relevance in practical scenarios like a merry-go-round.
  • Another participant comments on the naming conventions in physics, drawing parallels with other terms that may cause confusion, such as "imaginary" numbers and the "charm" quark.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and validity of centrifugal force, with no consensus reached on the topic. Some support its use in certain contexts, while others reject it as a misleading concept.

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The discussion highlights the complexities and nuances in the interpretation of forces in different reference frames, as well as the potential for misunderstanding in physics terminology.

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So I was doing a research paper on the differences of gravity at various places on the Earth, and I found a few sites and videos that tried to explain that a centrifugal force caused by the Earth's rotation was a cause for the disparity in gravitational acceleration at various places on the Earth.

Yet, in physics class, we are taught that in Centripetal motion, there is no such thing as a centrifugal force. So why do so many people believe that there is and post incorrect information online.

Don't they know that centrifugal force is a pseudo force only talked about to explain the apparent force that seems to push one outwards. For example, when we drive a car and we go around a curve we feel like we are being pushed outwards, but that is really just inertia and not a real force.

Am I the only that gets bothered by the lack of scientific accuracy by people who claim to be "scientists" explaining things that are wrong and thus spreading misinformation?
 
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Of course there is such thing as a centrifugal force. That it's an artefact of a rotating reference frame doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you analyse a system from such a frame, then you have to include it. You have to include it, to make the description equivalent to that from an inertial reference frame.
The key word here is 'equivalent' - descriptions in both a rotating and a non-rotating reference frame are valid. One does not include fictitious forces, but it doesn't mean it's somehow 'fake'.
 
This xkcd comes to mind:

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Bandersnatch said:
Of course there is such thing as a centrifugal force. That it's an artefact of a rotating reference frame doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you analyse a system from such a frame, then you have to include it. You have to include it, to make the description equivalent to that from an inertial reference frame.
The key word here is 'equivalent' - descriptions in both a rotating and a non-rotating reference frame are valid. One does not include fictitious forces, but it doesn't mean it's somehow 'fake'.

I know not what you talk about with this "centrifugal force" thingy, nor your "rotating reference frame" thingamajiggy.

Neither of those exist on a well designed merry go round.

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BobG said:
a well designed merry go round.
Ugh. The despicable engineers and their physics-defying machines. How do these even work?!
 
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We do get this question fairly often. It is an unfortunate quirk of physics naming conventions. Similarly, "imaginary" numbers are real/exist and the "charm" quark does not speak in a British accent.
 
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