Why do ppl suffered from famine always has a beer belly?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of swollen bellies in individuals suffering from famine, exploring various biological and nutritional explanations. Participants examine potential causes including malnutrition, parasitic infections, and specific syndromes like kwashiorkor, while considering the implications of these conditions.

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  • Some participants suggest that swollen bellies are due to malnutrition, where fat reserves are depleted and the gut swells.
  • Others argue that parasites in the gut contribute significantly to the swollen appearance, as they consume nutrients and can grow large, leading to malnutrition and distension.
  • One participant explains that ascites, caused by low serum protein levels, leads to fluid accumulation in the abdominal cavity, which can be exacerbated by malnutrition.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that while parasites can cause malnutrition and stomach distention, hypoalbuminemia is a major cause of ascites in famine conditions.
  • Some participants mention kwashiorkor, a syndrome resulting from inadequate protein intake, which can also lead to abdominal swelling and other symptoms.
  • Questions arise regarding the surgical evacuation of fluid from the abdomen and the potential complications associated with such procedures.
  • There are inquiries about the implications of fluid removal on osmotic pressure and the risks of dehydration.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the biochemical aspects of albumin production and potential solutions for nutritional deficiencies in impoverished regions.

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Participants express differing views on the primary causes of swollen bellies in famine victims, with no consensus reached on whether malnutrition, parasites, or other factors are the main contributors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interplay of these factors.

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Limitations include the complexity of the conditions discussed, the dependence on specific definitions of malnutrition and ascites, and the unresolved nature of the interactions between parasites and nutritional status.

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why do ppl suffered from famine always has a beer belly?
 
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no idea said:
why do ppl suffered from famine always has a beer belly?
The belly swells because of malnutrition. As the gut needs food and is not getting it the fat reserve is used and when there is none of that is it like being stung, it swells.

Any real reasons behind it would be appreciated. :smile:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
Err, I've never heard anything like what The Bob said.

What I learned in my parasitology class is the following. Areas with famine, which are generally developing (third world) nations. They, besides having famine, generally have poor sanitation, poor disease control, basically poor everything that you would take for granted in the U.S.

The big bellies are parasites living in their gut. Many parasites inhabit different parts of the intestine. The big bellies are due to worm types of parasites, they get huge! They sit in the intestines and consume (i.e., parasitize) the (little) food that the people do eat. A bad thing about that is that the parasites can consume certain vitamins that the people need, so the people have to eat more to be able to get the vitamins or whatnot, and by doing so they further feed the parasites.

Parasites are *bad* things!
 
The swollen belly is due to ascites. A starving person's serum or blood protein levels are so low from the malnutrition the osmotic pressure pushes the fluid out of the vascular system into the intraperitoneal cavity . In other words, hypoalbuminemia and reduced plasma oncotic pressure favor the extravasation of fluid from the plasma to the peritoneal cavity.

http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Ascites.asp

Of course the most common cause of ascites in this country is not malnutrition but cirrosis of the liver
 
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Yeah, but those people aren't just starving. They are eating, but they have to eat so much food because they are infected with parasites. Ascites is a byproduct of being infected with the parasites. Malnutrition is a byproduct of being infected with the parasites.
 
No, aychamo, there really is a lot of starvation going on there. (and adrenaline is a doctor)
 
i thought the swelling of the belly had to do with kwashiorkor... the lack of protein carriers that transport fat out of the liver causes the belly to bulge with a fatty liver...
 
russ_watters said:
No, aychamo, there really is a lot of starvation going on there. (and adrenaline is a doctor)

Parasites can consume the vitamins and what not that a person needs, thus making the person need to consume more food. We are talking about thousands of worms in the persons stomach that can be several feet long.

Look at the ascites found with advanced schistosomiasis. (Roberts, Foundations of Parasitology, 247)
 
Parasites may cause ascites through malnutrition and certainly some infestations due to sheer bulk (such as ascariasis) can cause distended stomachs. On the other hand, A tapeworm can be 8 feet long and cause no stomach distention if the malnutrition has not reached a critical threshold. However, although parasitemia can cause malnutrition and stomach distention either directly or indirectly, much of the cases of ascites in famine states are still caused mostly by the hypoalbuminemia.
 
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As for kwashiorkor, it is a syndrome mostly in children due to inadequate protein intake (that can happen due to famine)but mostly refers to a syndrome due to a diet that is adequate in calories but lacking in protien. It is prevalent in overpopulated parts of the world where the diet consists mainly of starchy vegetables, particularly in sections of Africa, Central and South America, and S Asia. These kids do not get enough milk nor meat and develop kwashiorkor.
It is a syndrome, and as such, a disease that is a constellation of symptoms and signs . These include the swollen and severely bloated abdomen but also various skin changes resulting in a reddish discoloration of the hair and skin in black African children. Other symptoms include severe diarrhea, enlarged fatty liver, atrophy of muscles and glands, mental apathy, and generally retarded development.
 
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So could the fluid be surgically evacuated?
 
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Flying Penguin said:
So could the fluid be surgically evacuated?


You can do a paracentesis and drain the fluid but it comes back wiithin 1-2 days unless the underlying problem is corrected. (In this case, hypoosmolar serum due to the protein deficiency)
 
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Can someone post some gruesome photographs of parasites?
 
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I was always under the impression that the bulge was due to the body eating away at the muscles, including the stomach muscles, causing a lack of support of the intestines, stomach, liver, etc.
 
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What are the implications of surgically removing the fluid in the stomach? Severe dehydration? Would the osmotic pressure in the vascular system be equilibriated upon removal of fluid?
 
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I think my dad has cirrosis of the liver, his belly is like your describing. Not fat but sticking out and he is an alcaholic. I can't talk him out of drinking is there other forms of treatment to help?
 
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kalladin said:
What are the implications of surgically removing the fluid in the stomach? Severe dehydration? Would the osmotic pressure in the vascular system be equilibriated upon removal of fluid?

You are close. It can be quite dangerous doing large volume paracentesis or drainage of large amounts of ascites from the stomach for the very reason you alluded to. When the ascites is removed, the body trys to equillibriate and more fluid comes out of the circlulatory system (which is hypotonic) into the peritoneal cavity and dangerously low blood pressure and shock can result from the sudden shift in fluid from the circulatory system into the stomach. In cirrosis clinics where these large volume paracentisis are done regularly, the patient is infused with a few units of albumin in an effort to reduce the oncotic pressure (increases the osmolarity of his serum) during the withdrawel of ascitic fluid.
 
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What chemicals or hormones trigger albumin translation? Are there any foods that are high in these inducers? Could these inducers, or albumin itself be incorporated into vegetables/roots/pills that can be distributed to third world countries (in terms of costs of mass production)?

Sorry for all these questions, I'm just curious.
 

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