Why do solids compress more than liquids under pressure?

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The discussion centers around the question of why solids appear to compress more than liquids under pressure. Participants explore the properties of solids and liquids, including atomic packing and density, while considering idealizations and real-world examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that atoms in solids are more closely packed compared to liquids and gases, leading to the perception that solids compress more under pressure.
  • One participant questions the assumption that liquids should compress more than solids due to their looser atomic packing.
  • Another participant points out that real liquids do compress, contradicting the idealization of incompressibility, and mentions that water is denser than ice.
  • It is suggested that while both solids and liquids compress under pressure, the change in density for solids is much smaller, making them effectively incompressible for practical purposes.
  • A participant requests examples of solids that compress, indicating a desire for clarification on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the extent to which liquids compress compared to solids. There are competing views regarding the idealization of incompressibility and the real behavior of materials under pressure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of idealizations in understanding material properties, particularly the assumptions about incompressibility and the density of different states of matter.

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Atoms in solid are more closedly packed as compared to liquid and gases. But we exert more force, some solid gets compressed but liquid doesn't, why? If atoms are loosely packed in liquid than solids, liquids should get compressed...
 
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curious bishal said:
Atoms in solid are more closedly packed as compared to liquid and gases. But we exert more force, some solid gets compressed but liquid doesn't, why? If atoms are loosely packed in liquid than solids, liquids should get compressed...

Can you give an example of a solid which gets compressed?
 
The OP is confusing an idealization (incompressible liquids) with reality. Real liquids do compress. Nevertheless, the idealization is very useful to solve problems. BTW, liquids are not necessarily more loosely packed than solids. Water, for instance, is more dense than ice (at standard pressure).
 
adjacent said:
Can you give an example of a solid which gets compressed?
Every solid and every liquid compresses with pressure, except for unobtainium of course. As it takes a good deal of pressure to result in even a very small change in density, treating solids and liquids as incompressible is a good first order approximation.
 
D H said:
Every solid and every liquid compresses with pressure, except for unobtainium of course. As it takes a good deal of pressure to result in even a very small change in density, treating solids and liquids as incompressible is a good first order approximation.

I didn't mean solids can't be compressed.I was asking in common terms(everyday life).
 

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