Why do some dogs have floppy ears?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why certain breeds of dogs have floppy ears, exploring theories related to domestication, breeding for tameness, and potential ancestral traits from wolves. The conversation includes references to breeding studies on Silver Foxes and the implications of these studies on understanding ear morphology in dogs.

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  • Some participants propose that floppy ears in dogs may result from domestication and breeding for tameness, suggesting that these traits are linked to immaturity compared to wolves.
  • Others argue against the domestication theory, citing a friend's claim that some breeds of wolves also exhibit floppy ears, implying that this trait may have been inherited.
  • A participant mentions breeding studies conducted on Silver Foxes, indicating that while these studies show changes due to domestication, they do not specifically address floppy ears.
  • Another participant points out that their research suggests a lack of correlation between floppy ears and Silver Foxes, indicating a need for clarity in the discussion.
  • One participant encourages seeking references to support claims about the origins of floppy ears, noting that the domestication of dogs is well-studied and suggesting that the question of non-floppy ears in some breeds may be more intriguing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the origins of floppy ears in dogs, with no consensus reached on the validity of the domestication theory versus the ancestral trait hypothesis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between floppy ears and Silver Foxes.

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Some claims rely on anecdotal evidence and personal research, with limitations in the available studies on the specific traits of floppy ears in relation to domestication and breeding practices.

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Why do certain breeds of dogs have floppy ears? One theory states that it is the result domestication and breeding for tameness. However, a friend of mine who happens to be an anthropology major regards this theory as a myth. He claims that there are breed of wolves with floppy ears. Hence the trait (floppy ears) has been passed in those dog breeds with floppy ears. Can somebody shed some light on this.
 
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codcodo said:
Why do certain breeds of dogs have floppy ears? One theory states that it is the result domestication and breeding for tameness. However, a friend of mine who happens to be an anthropology major regards this theory as a myth. He claims that there are breed of wolves with floppy ears. Hence the trait (floppy ears) has been passed in those dog breeds with floppy ears. Can somebody shed some light on this.
Can't say for sure, but domestication is done to cultivate traits that humans want the breed to have, and many things come along with this breeding including many forms of immaturity compared to the wolf. One of these kinds of immaturity is floppy ears. Another is less fear of humans.

Some breeding studies were done several decades ago in eastern europe on Silver Foxes. Try to read what you can find on this.
 
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Some breeding studies were done several decades ago in eastern europe on Silver Foxes. Try to read what you can find on this.
I tried. But my research suggests that floppy ears and silver foxes are mutually exclusive.
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I tried. But my research suggests that floppy ears and silver foxes are mutually exclusive.

You're probably correct. I did not realize that your focus is only on floppy ears of dogs. I was being more general and it was not clear to me that those foxes still had erect ears. Keep on searching and you will surely find something about floppy ears of domestic dogs.
 
You should ask your friend for some references or support for his theory.
The domestication of dogs has been very well studied and @symbolipoint's explanation is close to the scientific consensus.

A more interesting question to me is why some dogs have non-floppy ears.
Maybe due to later breeding with wolves?
 
Regarding domestifcation of foxes, this is the best I can find right now:


Not much is shown or mentioned about floppy ears - almost nothing. The documentary is still very interesting, at least regarding breeding studies on foxes. The goal was to breed for tameness, and after a few years, many behavior and coat quality changes also occurred.
 

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