Why do tensile testing graphs show a negative slope at these regions?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of tensile testing graphs, specifically addressing why certain regions of these graphs exhibit a negative slope. Participants explore the implications of engineering stress versus true stress, the effects of material deformation, and the dynamics of tensile testing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that tensile testing machines may reduce the load value in certain regions, questioning the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Others explain that most plots represent engineering stress, which is based on a constant cross-sectional area, while in reality, the area decreases during testing, leading to different interpretations of stress.
  • A participant describes the regions of dynamic elongation where the force level decreases despite continued elongation, noting that this can lead to rupture if it persists.
  • It is mentioned that lateral contraction plays a role in the observed graph behavior, with engineering stress versus strain being a scaled version of force versus deformation.
  • Another participant elaborates on the stages of material deformation, detailing the transition from elastic to plastic deformation and the effects of work hardening, while noting that different materials exhibit varying stress-strain curve patterns.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of tensile testing graphs, particularly regarding the significance of engineering stress versus true stress, and whether the observed negative slope indicates a reduction in load or other phenomena. No consensus is reached on these points.

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Participants highlight the importance of considering lateral contraction and the distinction between engineering and true stress, indicating that assumptions about material behavior and definitions may influence interpretations of the graphs.

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Do tensile testing machines reduce the value of load in these regions? If yes, why? If no, what's happening in the graph?
 

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Most of the time, the plots show engineering stress. You input the cross sectional area, A, of the specimen, and the machine will give you a plot of Force/(A)const for every incremental displacement. In reality, "A" is changing (decreasing, in a tensile test), rather than remaining constant. If you were to plot the "true stress" - Force/(A)actual, the stress should always increase.
 
These are regions of dynamic elongation in which the transferred force level is falling even as the specimen continues to elongate. If this continues very far (as is the case at the right end), rupture occurs.

These are really scaled force plotted against scaled elongation curves. With convenient scaling, we can think of them as stress - strain curves, but in the dynamic regions, this is not strictly true.
 
It's an issue of lateral contraction and whether or not it is being considered.

As OldEngr63 states, engineering stress vs. strain is just a scaled version of force vs. deformation. Either way, you'd get a plot that looks like the one the TS posted.

As I said before, however, true stress vs. strain would NOT look like the plot that the TS posted.
 
gikiian said:
Do tensile testing machines reduce the value of load in these regions? If yes, why? If no, what's happening in the graph?

If you are asking what is happening to the sample, the graph shows the elastic and plastic deformatiom. As the stress is increased the material deforms elastically, which is the straight line region. At a value of stress the material begins to deform plastically and the material begins to neck down at the same or less level of stress. While this material is deforming plastically it is also work hardening, until the point in the graph where the curve swings upwards again ( workhardening has made the material stronger ). As you progress along the curve, more stress results in more plastic deformation, and more work hardening, until the ultimate tesile stress is reached, after which the specimen necks down and rupture occurs.

The curve appears to be that for some sort of soft metal, possibly a mild steel. Not all materials exhibit the same pattern in their stress strain curve - a brittle material shows a curve decisively different from that of a ductile materail.
 
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