Why do the sun and moon look bigger when rising and setting?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of the sun and moon appearing larger when they are rising and setting compared to when they are at their highest point in the sky. Participants explore various explanations, including optical illusions and atmospheric effects, while addressing differing perspectives on the nature of this visual perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the larger appearance of the sun and moon at the horizon is generally regarded as an optical illusion, while other theories, such as atmospheric lensing, have been rejected.
  • Another participant questions the idea of an optical illusion, implying that the moon might actually appear smaller at the horizon.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, stating that atmospheric lensing could cause a slight decrease in apparent size, but it is acknowledged that the objects appear larger despite this effect.
  • One participant references their experience in celestial navigation, indicating that altitude corrections suggest objects appear stretched vertically as they approach the horizon.
  • Another participant asserts confidence in their understanding of atmospheric lensing and provides links to external resources for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the larger appearance of the sun and moon is an optical illusion or a result of atmospheric effects. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing explanations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of optical illusions and atmospheric effects are not fully explored, and the discussion includes references to external resources that may provide additional context.

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Hi all!

This is my first post here, so please correct me if I am doing anything wrong. Before I posted this thread here, I read some of the other threads in the subject "General Astronomy", and now I am not sure, that this thread blends in with the other articles, since my question is far more simple than questions in other threads, but anyway...

I have always wonderd why the sun and the moon looks bigger when rising and setting, than when they are highest on the sky. If anyone could give me a clue or answers the question, I will be very thankful.

Best regards
dane502
 
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I think that's generally regarded as being an optical illusion. Other theories about atmospheric lensing have been rejected. Here is an enormous article about the whole phenomenon.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/3d/moonillu.htm
 
Welcome to PF Dane502,

Isn't it considered opposite?
 
mubashirmansoor said:
Welcome to PF Dane502,

Isn't it considered opposite?

What do you mean by opposite? As in the moon would appear smaller at the horizon?

Atmospheric lensing would cause a slight decrease in the apparent size of the objects but it is well known that in actual fact they appear bigger to us despite this. Have a look at the link I provided. There is also a summary on bad astronomy with a couple more links about the moon illusion.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/moonbig.html
 
Kurdt said:
Atmospheric lensing would cause a slight decrease in the apparent size of the objects...
You sure about that? When learning celestial navigation, we used an altitude correction that traced the "true" position of an object below where it was viewed to be. Translation: it stretches vertically (at the very least) as it approaches the horizon.
 

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