Why do we need to take the absolute value of charge in an electron gun?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of charge in the context of an electron gun, specifically addressing why the absolute value of charge is taken when analyzing the energy transformations involved in the system.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric potential and kinetic energy, questioning the necessity of using absolute values for charge. Some discuss the implications of negative potential in the electron gun and its effect on electron acceleration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the energy equations and the role of potential differences. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the signs of potential and energy, and some guidance has been offered to clarify the distinction between electric potential and electric potential energy.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the potential values and the behavior of charges in the electric field of the electron gun. Participants are considering the implications of negative potential and the resulting energy transformations.

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For part (a) of this problem,
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The solution is,
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However, why did they need to take the absolute value of the charge? I thought they could keep the original signs as shown below:

Using energy conservation, the electric force dose internal work transferring electric potential energy into kinetic energy
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Thanks for any help!
 
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The velocity before the electron transited the potential gradient was zero. Your energy equation should read ##\Delta KE+\Delta EPE=0##.
To accelerate the electrons, the gun must have a negative potential, so ##\Delta V=+2500V##.
This gives ##\Delta KE=-q\Delta V##.
The given solution used the knowledge that the field increases the KE in a different way. Instead of taking the trouble to manage the signs correctly, it just forced everything positive.
 
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haruspex said:
To accelerate the electrons, the gun must have a negative potential, so ##\Delta V=+2500V##.
Thank you @haruspex! Are you saying that V_i = -2500V and V_f = 0? Why must gun have negative potential and therefore Delta V = 2500V?
 
Callumnc1 said:
Why must gun have negative potential
So as to repel the electrons.
 
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haruspex said:
So as to repel the electrons.
Thanks for the reply @haruspex! I'm assuming that at V_i = -2500V there is no protons and a finite number of electrons. And at V_f = 0 there is no electrons and protons, correct?

However, if the gun has negative potential, then the electric potential energy of the electrons will increase over the gun as delta V is positive. However, how is this possible since the kinetic energy also increases? Where dose this energy that turns into kinetic energy come from?
 
Callumnc1 said:
if the gun has negative potential, then the electric potential energy of the electrons will increase over the gun as delta V is positive
Don’t confuse electric potential with electric potential energy.
When a negative charge moves to a higher potential it loses electric potential energy. ##\Delta E=q\Delta V##.
 
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haruspex said:
Don’t confuse electric potential with electric potential energy.
When a negative charge moves to a higher potential it loses electric potential energy. ##\Delta E=q\Delta V##.
Oh got it now! Thanks again @haruspex!
 
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