Why do we say motion is relative?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of relative motion, exploring why motion is described as relative rather than absolute. Participants provide examples and explanations to illustrate this concept, touching on both theoretical and practical aspects of motion.

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  • Some participants assert that motion is relative simply because it is, without providing further elaboration.
  • Examples are provided, such as the speed of an object at the equator compared to an object in outer space, illustrating the varying speeds based on different reference points.
  • A scenario involving a train is discussed, where the speed of an object tossed between two moving observers is analyzed, emphasizing that speeds can be added or canceled out depending on the reference frame.
  • Another participant describes a situation involving a speeding car and a police officer, highlighting how the perceived speed changes based on the relative motion of the observer.
  • One participant notes that the definition of velocity involves a change in position over time and hints at the complexity of the absence of an absolute reference frame.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a singular explanation for why motion is relative, with multiple examples and perspectives presented. The discussion remains open-ended with various interpretations of relative motion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about reference frames and the nature of motion are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the concept of absolute versus relative motion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring foundational concepts in physics, particularly students and enthusiasts seeking to understand the nature of motion and reference frames.

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Plain and Simple:

Why so we say motion is relative?

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Because it is.

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can you help explain maybe a example?
 
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At the equator of the earth, the surface of the Earth is rotating eastward at about 1040 mph. Earth orbits the Sun at about 67,000 mph, and the Sun orbits the Milky Way at about 486,000 mph. So what is the speed of an object moving 10mph due east at the equator, compared to an object in outer space?
 
You and a friend riding a train at 40 mph.

Your friend asks you to toss him some object.. ah, a cell phone. Don't drop it, lest it break! You underhand toss it at about 3 mph, he smoothely catches it.

An observer standing still in the subway terminal, waiting to catch their train, sees you phone traveling at 40+3 mph.

As Jeff Reid pointed out, you could also add up the speed of the Earth's rotation, Earth's orbit around the sun, the velocity of the Mily Way, etc, and reach some ridiculously high number relavent to some absolutely stationary observer (which quite posibly can't be known to exist, since everything is relative). Speeds are relative, speeds cancel out. This is in accordance with a Newtonian universe even.
 
It seems as if these question based answers arent helping. Motion is relative because think of a moving car. You are driving 100 mph (relative to an object at rest) on the highway, and a cop (at rest) clocks you going 100. Now if that same cop is traveling next to you at say, 80 mph, the radar only clocks you as going 20 mph. (100 - 80 = 20). So therefore we say motion is relative. Answer your question?
 
By definition, a "velocity" is a change in position between two points, with time.

If you're asking why there is no absolute reference frame, that's a little more involved...
 

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