Why do we solve i and j components of a vector using trig?

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The discussion revolves around understanding vector components, specifically how to resolve a force vector into its horizontal (i) and vertical (j) components using trigonometric principles, as illustrated by a 5-4-3 triangle example. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between the components and the resultant vector, questioning how the sum of the components can exceed the original vector's magnitude.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the components of a vector to real-world scenarios, questioning the mathematical relationship between the components and the resultant vector. Other participants seek to clarify the misunderstanding regarding vector addition and the nature of vector magnitudes.

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Participants are exploring the conceptual framework of vector resolution and addressing misconceptions about vector addition. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of vector magnitudes and the relationship between components.

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The original poster's confusion stems from a misunderstanding of how vector magnitudes are calculated and combined, particularly in the context of real-world applications. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions underlying the original poster's reasoning.

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I'm having trouble understanding why we solve vector components (i and j, or the horizontal and vertical legs) like a right triangle?
An example would be a 5-4-3 triangle. If 5 N was the force vector I am solving for then I would end up with 4 N in the horizontal direction and 3 N in the vertical direction. The part I don't understand is how the sum of the legs can equal more than the original force? To me it seems like i^2 + j^2 > (the original force vector)^2 and i + j = (the original force vector) makes more sense.
When I try and relate this to the real world I'm thinking maybe that 5 N force is me pushing on a box at a -53 degree angle. So that means the box is moving at 4 N along the floor and 3 N into the floor, but I'm misunderstanding how these components relate to each other since the total of the two components is 7 N and I'm only pushing at 5 N.
I'd really appreciate some help wrapping my head around this!
(Sorry if I posted to the wrong category)

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ALRedEye said:

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I'm having trouble understanding why we solve vector components (i and j, or the horizontal and vertical legs) like a right triangle?
An example would be a 5-4-3 triangle. If 5 N was the force vector I am solving for then I would end up with 4 N in the horizontal direction and 3 N in the vertical direction. The part I don't understand is how the sum of the legs can equal more than the original force?
What, exactly do you mean by "the sum of the legs"? The sum of the horizontal and vertical force vectors are equal to the total force- that's the whole point.

To me it seems like i^2 + j^2 > (the original force vector)^2
Assuming you mean the dot product here, (3i).(3i)= 9 and (4i).(4i)= 16. 9+ 16= 25= 5^2. Where did you get the idea that it was larger than
(the original force vector)^2

and i + j = (the original force vector) makes more sense.
Did you not mean to write 3i+ 4j= (the original force vector)?

When I try and relate this to the real world I'm thinking maybe that 5 N force is me pushing on a box at a -53 degree angle. So that means the box is moving at 4 N along the floor and 3 N into the floor
You mean there would be a 4N force pushing the box and a 3N force pressing it into the floor, right?

, but I'm misunderstanding how these components relate to each other since the total of the two components is 7 N and I'm only pushing at 5 N.
I'd really appreciate some help wrapping my head around this!
Your mistake is thinking that "the total of the two components is 7 N". You do not add the magnitudes of two vectors- you add the vectors themselves. These two vectors, of magnitude 3 and 4, add to a vector of magnitude 5. That is because the magnitude of a vector of the form ai+ bj is \sqrt{a^2+ b^2}.

(Sorry if I posted to the wrong category)

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Do you understand that if you walk 3 miles north and 4 miles west that you can get back where you started by walking 5 miles diagonally to the southeast?
 
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That makes more sense. Thanks
 

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