Why Do We Use |x-2| < 1 and δ = min{1,ε/5} in Epsilon-Delta Proofs?

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The discussion focuses on the epsilon-delta proofs in calculus, specifically addressing the limit of the function f(x) = x² + 2x - 5 as x approaches 2, which equals 3. Participants clarify the necessity of the condition |x-2| < 1 and the choice of δ = min{1, ε/5} to ensure the product |x+4||x-2| remains less than ε. The reasoning is that |x+4| can be bounded by 5 when |x-2| < 1, allowing for the application of the epsilon-delta definition of limits effectively.

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For part A, (described here: http://www.cramster.com/solution/solution/1157440) I don't understand why they say |x-2| < 1 and why \delta = min{1,ε/5}

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lim x2+2x-5 = 3, x \rightarrow 2
Let ε > 0 and L = 3.

|x2 + 2x -5 -3| < ε
|x2 + 2x - 8| < ε
|x+4||x-2| < ε

If |x-2| < 1, x \rightarrow (1,3) \rightarrow x+2 \in (3,5)
|x-2| < 1 \rightarrow |x+2| < 5
|x-2| < 1 \rightarrow |x2 +2x - 8| = |x-4||x+2| < 5|x-4|

For ε > 0, 5|x-4| < ε \rightarrow |x-4| < \frac{ε}{5}

If \delta = min{1,\frac{ε}{5}}
|x-2| < \delta \rightarrow |x2 + 2x - 8| < 5|x-4| < ε
 
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hi ƒ(x)! :smile:
ƒ(x) said:
I don't understand why they say |x-2| < 1 and why \delta = min{1,ε/5}

|x+4||x-2| < ε

because if δ < 1, then |x+4| < 5

and if δ < ε/5, then |x-2| < ε/5 (obviously!)

so |x+4||x-2| < 5*ε/5 = ε :wink:

(though i don't see why they say |x-2| < 1 either :redface:)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi ƒ(x)! :smile:


because if δ < 1, then |x+4| < 5

and if δ < ε/5, then |x-2| < ε/5 (obviously!)

so |x+4||x-2| < 5*ε/5 = ε :wink:

(though i don't see why they say |x-2| < 1 either :redface:)


Can you explain yourself a little further? I tend to be rather slow about this kind of thing.
 
ƒ(x) said:
Can you explain yourself a little further? I tend to be rather slow about this kind of thing.

you want the product to be < ε

one easy way to do this (there are others) is to make one of them < 1 and the other < ε

but that won't work in this case, since |4+x| isn't going to be < 1

however, it will be < 5,

so we make one of them < 5 and the other < ε/5 :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
you want the product to be < ε

one easy way to do this (there are others) is to make one of them < 1 and the other < ε

but that won't work in this case, since |4+x| isn't going to be < 1

however, it will be < 5,

so we make one of them < 5 and the other < ε/5 :smile:

So, for a different problem, part (c) on the link, I have:

lim x^3 + 2x + 1 = 4, x --> 1

Let ε > and L = 4

|x-1| < δ, |x^3 +2x - 3| < ε

But this one doesn't factor...[EDIT] wait, yes it does (I peeked at the solution, how do I factor this by myself?).

|x-1||x^2 + x + 3| < ε
 
hi ƒ(x)! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)

ok, so |x-1| < δ,

and you can obviously choose x near 4 so that |x2 + x + 3| < 33 …

so how would you finish the proof? :smile:
ƒ(x) said:
But this one doesn't factor...[EDIT] wait, yes it does (I peeked at the solution, how do I factor this by myself?).

you just have to guess …

in an exam, they won't give you anything difficult, so start with ±1, and work your way upwards! :wink:
 

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