Why do you need to measure the speed of light in two directions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the necessity of measuring the speed of light in both directions for accurate readings, particularly in the context of synchronization of clocks and the implications of different synchronization methods. Participants explore the theoretical and practical challenges associated with one-way speed measurements and the assumptions underlying these measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that measuring the speed of light in one direction can be accurate only if the clocks at both ends are perfectly synchronized, which is problematic due to the limitations imposed by the speed of light.
  • Others propose that using a round-trip measurement (ABA) eliminates the need for synchronization of two clocks, as only one clock is required for the measurement.
  • Some participants highlight that the method of synchronization affects the measured value of the one-way speed of light, suggesting that it is a matter of convention.
  • A viewpoint is presented that slow clock transport can serve as an independent synchronization method, potentially allowing for one-way speed measurements, but this remains contentious.
  • There is a debate regarding the implications of theories inconsistent with Special Relativity (SR) and how they relate to the confirmation of SR through experimental results.
  • Some participants express confusion about the claims regarding the possibility of measuring the one-way speed of light and challenge the validity of those claims in light of established theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity and implications of measuring the one-way speed of light. Multiple competing views remain regarding the validity of different synchronization methods and their relationship to the constancy of the speed of light.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on synchronization conventions, unresolved mathematical implications of different synchronization methods, and the challenge of establishing independent measurements of one-way light speed without circular reasoning.

  • #121
"my point is that even if both A and B are inertial reference frames, that does not imply they are stationary relative to each other. They may be moving together or apart at a constant rate, or one or both may be free falling with a net acceleration between them."

It's even worse than that Bahama :)

The definition of something being 'at rest' in relativity is that it has a uniform motion, nothing more.

You don't have any 'acceleration' at all in uniform motion, and your relative 'velocity' (I won't use speed here as that says nothing about a direction) doesn't mean a thing as I understands it for defining yourself as being 'at rest' relative something else.

There is no 'universal resting place', only relative ones. And what differs being 'at rest in a uniform motion relative being 'at rest' in a acceleration is that in a acceleration you know that you have inertia/gravity acting at you locally, constantly or intermediately, if now that is the right word to use?

If you introduce a third reference frame from where you define two comoving uniformly moving objects to be 'moving', you might do it relative a third frame, as the 'universe' at large for example. That doesn't change the fact that both can define themselves as being 'at rest' relative each other.
 

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