Why Does a Spring Return to Its Original Position After Being Stretched?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a spring returning to its original position after being stretched. Participants explore concepts related to restoring forces, equilibrium, and the nature of applied forces in the context of classical mechanics.

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  • One participant describes the process of stretching a spring and questions why it returns to its original position after the applied force is removed, noting the role of the restoring force.
  • Another participant asserts that the applied force cannot remain once its source (the hand) is removed, prompting a comparison to pushing an object on a frictionless surface.
  • A participant emphasizes that when the hand stops applying force, the net force on the spring is not zero due to internal restoring forces that depend on deformation.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of forces and motion, referencing Newton's laws and the misconception that a force is needed to maintain motion.
  • One participant reflects on their initial misunderstandings of physics concepts, acknowledging their learning journey and previous misconceptions about forces and motion.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the nature of forces acting on the spring and the implications of removing the applied force. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and assumptions about forces, equilibrium, and motion, indicating a range of interpretations and potential gaps in foundational knowledge.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in classical mechanics, particularly those exploring the concepts of forces, equilibrium, and the behavior of materials under stress.

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Consider a spring in its natural length. I start pulling the string and the force i apply increase from 0 to 5, while this happens there's a restoring force wanting to be back in its original position(intermolecular force) and i am able to stretch the string until this spring force or restoring force equals to my applied force. Now when i remove my hand why does it go back to its original position, i understand the reaction force is opposite in direction to my applied force and at the point where the extension stops the net force on the string is 0. But when i remove my hand does the external force vanish? Its still there right shouldnt the spring still be in equilibrium?
 
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Your hand is the source of the applied force. Why would the applied force remain after its source leaves?
 
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Dale said:
Your hand is the source of the applied force. Why would the applied force remain after its source leaves?
when i push an object on a frictionless surface i dont remain in contact i merely give it a push and it continues moving until hit by an obstacle. can it not be similar to this?
 
tellmesomething said:
when i push an object on a frictionless surface i dont remain in contact i merely give it a push and it continues moving
It doesn’t require a force to move in a straight line at a constant speed. That is Newton’s 1st law. When you stop pushing then the force stops in this case too.
 
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tellmesomething said:
Consider a spring in its natural length. I start pulling the string and the force i apply increase from 0 to 5, while this happens there's a restoring force wanting to be back in its original position(intermolecular force) and i am able to stretch the string until this spring force or restoring force equals to my applied force.
The force that you apply deforms the crystals that form the metal.
The reactive force is directly proportional to that deformation, which is elastic (until certain point).
tellmesomething said:
Now when i remove my hand why does it go back to its original position, i understand the reaction force is opposite in direction to my applied force and at the point where the extension stops the net force on the string is 0.
When you remove your hand, the force that was deforming the metal disappears, and the crystals naturally go back to the original position.
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But when i remove my hand does the external force vanish? Its still there right shouldnt the spring still be in equilibrium?
Yes, the external force suddenly disappears, which breaks the previous equilibrium of hand-elastic forces.
The elastic force makes the spring return to its original length, while its magnitude goes from 5 to 0.
 
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tellmesomething said:
when i push an object on a frictionless surface i dont remain in contact i merely give it a push and it continues moving until hit by an obstacle. can it not be similar to this?
This is not how the world works. You are in good company: Aristotle made the same wrong assumption. It was shown incorrect by Isaac Newton
 
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tellmesomething said:
when i push an object on a frictionless surface i dont remain in contact i merely give it a push and it continues moving until hit by an obstacle. can it not be similar to this?
When you stop pushing an object on a frictionless surface, the net force goes to zero, so the object moves at constant speed.

But when you stop pulling at the streched spring, the net force on most spring parts is not zero, because the internal restoring forces are a function of the current deformation, not of the current external forces.
 
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hutchphd said:
This is not how the world works. You are in good company: Aristotle made the same wrong assumption. It was shown incorrect by Isaac Newton
this was possibly the dumbest question i asked on here, at that time i had just started learning physics and had very wrong intuition/assumptions lol, i mean i was literally calling the "restoring force" reaction force as if action and reaction forces act on the same body o0). i also thought velocity only exists if acceleration does, good heavenso_O
 
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tellmesomething said:
at that time i had just started learning physics
I didn't check the OP date when replying. Glad to see you made so much progress since then.
 
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I didn't check the OP date when replying. Glad to see you made so much progress since then.
I obviously still have a long way to go to become like yourself and others on this site, but thanks:angel:
 
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