Why does density affect the acceleration of falling objects?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of density and shape on the acceleration of falling objects, particularly in the context of an experiment involving toilet paper. Participants explore the role of air resistance and gravitational forces in determining the fall rates of objects with equal mass but different densities and shapes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where crumpling a sheet of toilet paper into a ball resulted in faster descent compared to a flat sheet, suggesting a relationship between density and acceleration.
  • Another participant attributes the differing fall rates to air resistance, noting that objects with larger surface areas relative to their mass, like a feather or flat paper, experience greater drag and thus fall slower.
  • A different viewpoint argues that the drag force is primarily dependent on the object's shape and size, not its density, indicating that density does not directly affect acceleration.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of dropping objects in a vacuum, suggesting that in the absence of air resistance, gravitational force would dictate the fall rate regardless of density.
  • One participant mentions the scaling effects of forces on different sizes of objects, such as mice and cats, and how this relates to terminal velocity and impact stresses.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial experiment's clarity but points out that air resistance was an uncontrolled variable that affected the results, emphasizing the importance of considering unforeseen effects in experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of density versus shape and air resistance in determining the acceleration of falling objects. There is no consensus on the primary factors influencing fall rates, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between density and acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential influence of air resistance, which was not controlled in the initial experiment, and the varying effects of shape and size on drag forces. The discussion also highlights the complexity of gravitational effects in different environments, such as a vacuum.

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Hello,

I was conducting some experiments with toilet paper.
I tore off 2 sheets of square paper, each measuring 0.5g.

I began dropping them from equal levels at approximately the same exact time.
They each landed equally (obviously), however, as I began to crumble one of the sheets into a ball, I observed that it reached the surface much faster than the other sheet that remained flat.
I also observed that the denser I made the ball (the smaller I shaped it), the faster it dropped.

Why is this?
Does this have to do with less Force going against the denser object because it's smaller (aerodynamically)?

I have read people say that density does not affect acceleration, yet the experiment showed that the more compact you made it, the faster it accelerated.

My Current Theory:
Equal masses, regardless of the matter (be it toilet paper, notebook paper, or an eraser), have equal Maximum Velocities (under equal gravity).
The density, however, affect how fast the sample of matter will reach it's maximum velocity, before falling at an equal rate.

Please keep in mind, I am very new to Physics, apologies if I sound dumb!

Thank You!
 
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The answer to this is also the answer to why a feather and a hammer don't reach the ground at the same time when dropped at the same time. Air resistance. The feather, and your flat piece of paper both have large amounts of air resistance relative to their mass. The hammer and crumpled up paper have much less air resistance relative to their mass, so they accelerate faster and reach the ground faster.

If you drop these in a vacuum they do in fact hit the ground at the same time.

See here:
 
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It isn't the density of the object that matters. The drag force is a function of the geometric shape and size of the object, and of the velocity of the object through the air. The drag force does not depend on the density of the falling object.
 
Fascinating video!
It seems to me that Resistance plays a very large role in the every day world, causing lots of variation. However, in a vacuum tube or on the moon, where there is no resistance, does the gravitational force determine how fast objects will fall?
 
HenryKhais said:
Fascinating video!
It seems to me that Resistance plays a very large role in the every day world, causing lots of variation. However, in a vacuum tube or on the moon, where there is no resistance, does the gravitational force determine how fast objects will fall?

If you were an insect, you would notice that even more. The relative effects of electric and gravitational forces are very much subject to scale. They say that a mouse, thrown off the Empire State Building would survive the landing but not a cat that would have the same density.
 
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If you were an insect, you would notice that even more. The relative effects of electric and gravitational forces are very much subject to scale. They say that a mouse, thrown off the Empire State Building would survive the landing but not a cat that would have the same density.
The scaling factor (lower mass / cross-section ratio) lowering terminal velocity, when falling in air. It also reduces the internal stresses occurring during the high acceleration on impact.
 
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Hello Henry,

First let me congratulate you on a clear precise experiment and report.

You investigated the effect of varying some parameter (density), whilst controlling another parameter (total weight of falling object) and subjecting them to the same acceleration regime.

It is unfortunate that the conclusion was wrong because there was another uncontrolled effect at work - that of air resistance as already noted. This is of course due to the difference in shape of the objects.

So keep at the good work but learn to be aware that unforseen effects may occur and unforseen agents may act.
 

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