Why Does He Stay? Examining a Student's Odd Decision in Bio Class

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a student in a biology class who is struggling academically, primarily due to a language barrier. Participants explore various reasons for his continued enrollment despite poor performance, including visa requirements and personal circumstances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the student may be staying in the class to maintain his student visa status, as dropping below full-time enrollment could jeopardize his ability to remain in the country.
  • Others propose that the student might be motivated by a desire to socialize or fulfill parental expectations, despite his academic struggles.
  • There are claims that some students continue in failing classes due to a lack of prior experience with failure, external pressures from family, or the hope of improving their understanding for future attempts.
  • A few participants express concern about the instructor's approach, questioning whether direct communication with the student has occurred regarding his participation and performance.
  • One participant speculates that the student may be unable to withdraw from the class due to a lack of understanding or support, potentially exacerbated by the language barrier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the student's continued enrollment, with multiple competing views presented regarding his motivations and circumstances.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the student's background, his understanding of the academic system, and the specific requirements of his visa status. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the implications of academic failure and the support systems available to students facing such challenges.

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TheStatutoryApe said:
The other day we had a new student arrive who is from Japan. When he learned that he was set up in a room with another student from Japan he immediately came to us and requested that he be placed in a room with someone who speaks english because "I am here to learn english". I thought that was a wee bit odd.
Actually, I think it was very wise of him. Many people would opt for the "comfort" of sharing rooms with someone who speaks the same native language, but he knows he needs to not be tempted by that and to speak English as much as possible to get better at it.

My own experience in learning languages is that you can learn the vocabulary and grammar and to speak fairly quickly, but that's with the accent of whoever taught you the language (i.e., Spanish spoken with an American accent), and listening skills are what end up lacking unless you've been learning from a native speaker of the language. It's a lot easier to listen to a tape of someone speaking a foreign language in your native tongue's accent, especially when they speak every word slowly and enunciate everything clearly and use completely correct grammar, compared with being confronted with a native speaker who leaves off final consonants, makes liberal use of idiomatic expressions, speaks quickly, etc.

For some people, if they have a sufficient grasp of a language, but are not fully fluent at listening yet, just slowing down, enunciating every word carefully, and using simple sentences is all it takes to communicate with them.

I worked with a post-doc from France once who started out like that...she spoke decent English, but when faced with people like me, who speak really quickly, she was lost. Fortunately, once I told her it was perfectly okay to tell me to slow down if I started speaking too quickly for her to understand, we were able to communicate fairly easily. And, at the end of her year in the U.S., she was lamenting that she wished she learned English better, and I had to point out that she had made great progress, because she was no longer telling me to slow down, and I knew she was understanding what I was saying at my normal speaking speed. She just never noticed that happening.
 

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