Why does it suffice to show it for n=4 and n=p?

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The discussion revolves around the Fermat equation $X^n + Y^n = Z^n$ for integers, specifically addressing why it suffices to prove the equation has no integer solutions for the cases when $n=4$ and $n=p$, where $p$ is a prime number greater than 2. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical exploration.

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  • Some participants propose that proving the Fermat equation for $n=4$ and for prime $n=p$ is sufficient due to the structure of integers and their factorization.
  • A participant notes that the reasoning for $n=4$ does not lead to a conclusion, as the equation $X^4 + Y^4 = Z^4$ can be reduced to $x^2 + y^2 = z^2$, which has infinitely many solutions.
  • Another participant suggests using the fundamental theorem of arithmetic to show that if $x^{pq} + y^{pq} = z^{pq}$, then it can be reduced to $(x^p)^q + (y^p)^q = (z^p)^q$.
  • There is a correction regarding the assertion that all numbers greater than 4 can be expressed as a product of primes, emphasizing the presence of at least one prime greater than 2.
  • A participant mentions that for $n=4$, one cannot use the fundamental theorem of arithmetic directly and suggests the need for alternative methods like infinite descent.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the fundamental theorem of arithmetic and the reasoning for $n=4$. There is no consensus on how to approach proving the lack of integer solutions for the case of $X^4 + Y^4 = Z^4.

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Limitations include the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps required to prove the cases for $n=4$ and $n=p$, as well as the dependency on the definitions and interpretations of the fundamental theorem of arithmetic.

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Hi! (Wave)

The Fermat equation $X^n+Y^n=Z^n, n \geq 3, X \cdot Y \cdot Z \neq 0$ has no integer solutions.

Remark: It suffices to prove the hypothesis for $n=4$ and $n=p \in \mathbb{P} (p \neq 2)$.

Could you explain me why, in order to show that the Fermat equation has no integer solutions, it suffices to show it for $n=4$ and for $n=p$ ? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hi! (Wave)

The Fermat equation $X^n+Y^n=Z^n, n \geq 3, X \cdot Y \cdot Z \neq 0$ has no integer solutions.

Remark: It suffices to prove the hypothesis for $n=4$ and $n=p \in \mathbb{P} (p \neq 2)$.

Could you explain me why, in order to show that the Fermat equation has no integer solutions, it suffices to show it for $n=4$ and for $n=p$ ? (Thinking)

Hint: if $x^{pq} + y^{pq} = z^{pq}$, then $(x^p)^q + (y^p)^q = (z^p)^q$. Use the fundamental theorem of arithmetic, suitably modified to take into account the $n = 4$ case, and conclude.
 
Just a note to why Bacterius's reasoning doesn't work for $n = 4$ :

$$X^4 + Y^4 = Z^4 \Longrightarrow (X^2)^2 + (Y^2)^2 = (Z^2)^2$$

But that doesn't conclude anything, as there can be infinitely many solutions in general to $x^2 + y^2 = z^2$.
 
Bacterius said:
Hint: if $x^{pq} + y^{pq} = z^{pq}$, then $(x^p)^q + (y^p)^q = (z^p)^q$. Use the fundamental theorem of arithmetic, suitably modified to take into account the $n = 4$ case, and conclude.

So, because of the fact that all numbers $n \geq 3, n \neq 4$ can be written as a product of prime numbers, at least one of which is different from $2$, we can show that $x^n+y^n=z^n$ has no integer solutions, when $n$ is a prime? (Thinking)

How can I use the fundamental theorem of arithmetic, to show that $X^4+Y^4=Z^4$ has no integer solutions? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
So, because of the fact that all numbers $n \geq 3, n \neq 4$ can be written as a product of prime numbers, at least one of which is different from $2$, we can show that $x^n+y^n=z^n$ has no integer solutions, when $n$ is a prime? (Thinking)

Minor correction : it's because of all numbers $> 4$ can be written as a product of primes with at least one prime $> 2$.

How can I use the fundamental theorem of arithmetic, to show that $X^4+Y^4=Z^4$ has no integer solutions?

As a matter of fact you cannot, as I have indicated in my last comment. You need to use some of the "magic tricks" like infinite descent to handle this one. If you are interested, I could post the idea behind.
 
mathbalarka said:
Minor correction : it's because of all numbers $> 4$ can be written as a product of primes with at least one prime $> 2$.

(Nod)
mathbalarka said:
As a matter of fact you cannot, as I have indicated in my last comment. You need to use some of the "magic tricks" like infinite descent to handle this one. If you are interested, I could post the idea behind.

Yes, it would be nice.. (Smile)
 

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