Why does life need to have water?

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The discussion explores the necessity of water for life, questioning whether life elsewhere in the universe must also rely on water or if alternative solvents could support biological processes. The scope includes theoretical considerations of biochemistry and the potential for life forms based on different chemical foundations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assumption that life must require water, suggesting that life could potentially be based on alternative solvents like liquid methane.
  • Others highlight the unique properties of water, such as being a good solvent and existing in multiple states, which may contribute to its necessity for life as we know it.
  • Ammonia is proposed as another possible solvent for life, particularly in low-temperature environments, due to its solvent properties and molecular characteristics.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the plausibility of silicon-based life forms, while noting that artificial silicon-based life forms, like computers, are already being created.
  • There is a discussion about the two basic life forms on Earth, plants and animals, and their symbiotic relationship in energy conversion, raising questions about whether life elsewhere would need similar structures or mechanisms.
  • One participant suggests that extraterrestrial life might utilize energy conversion methods akin to solar panels, as seen in Mars rovers, rather than relying on biological symbiosis.
  • Another participant mentions exceptions to typical life forms, such as cave-dwelling bacteria that consume inorganic materials, indicating the diversity of life strategies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether life must require water, with multiple competing views on the potential for alternative biochemistries and the mechanisms that life might employ elsewhere in the universe.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the conditions necessary for life and the definitions of life forms, which may not be universally applicable or resolved.

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Just because our Earth has water, why does that mean that life anywhere in the universe needs to have it? I no its most likely it will need it but how do we know? we are one plant of so many life could be out of carbon for all we know.
 
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It doesn't necessarily require water - perhaps it could be based on liquid methane. But water has some unique properties: it is an extremely good solvent, exists on Earth in all 3 states, and is lighter when solid than when liquid.
 


Ammonia might also be an alternative, for similar reasons (good solvent, low molecular weight, yet high-ish boiling point owing to hydrogen bonding) except that it'd need to be for low-temperature systems.

Wikipedia's article on speculative biochemistries (the first crystal Stegosaurus image comes out of a book whose title I can't recall, but is probably written / illustrated by the author of the originating website. Really neat coffee-table style book on what alien life might look like):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry
 


I not so sure that the mechanisms for spontaneous creation of silicon based lifeforms are plausible, but we are already creating artificial silicon based lifeforms called computers.
 


We actually have two basic life forms:
1) plants that take in water and CO2, and with sunlight create saccharides (sugars etc) and O2;
2) Animals that consume O2 and saccharides, and dissipate energy.

These two life forms exist (mostly) in equilibrium, and work on the principle of converting sunlight into stored chemical energy, and then using that chemical energy.

Sunlight has to have enough photon energy to electrolize (break the bond(s) of) water, and at the same time have so little photon energy (meaning UV radiation) that it does not damage the biological systems it helps create. (Atmosphere helps filter it).

So in all cases, would life elsewhere need to have two symbiotiic forms; one for absorbing "sunlight" and storing concentrated energy, and another form for consuming that energy? Or would life elsewhere be like Mars rovers, have photocell-like panels that convert "sunlight" to electrical energy, store, and use it?
 


Bob S said:
So in all cases, would life elsewhere need to have two symbiotiic forms; one for absorbing "sunlight" and storing concentrated energy, and another form for consuming that energy? Or would life elsewhere be like Mars rovers, have photocell-like panels that convert "sunlight" to electrical energy, store, and use it?

With rules come exceptions like cave dwelling bacteria that eat rocks.
 

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