Why Does Lorentz Transformation Not Yield the General Form of Four-Acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations to the four-acceleration vector, specifically questioning why the transformation does not yield the general form of four-acceleration from a specific case in an instantaneous co-moving inertial frame. The scope includes theoretical considerations of special relativity and the mathematical implications of transformations.

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  • One participant states that in an instantaneous co-moving inertial frame, the four-acceleration vector reduces to (0,a).
  • Another participant argues that a general result cannot be derived from a special case, noting that the simple form (0,a) is only valid for a small lapse of time.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in conceptualizing the Lorentz transformation as anything other than a rotation, questioning the correspondence between vectors in different frames.
  • One participant mentions that while the Lorentz transformation seems to work for four-momentum, they are unsure how it applies to four-acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests that graphing the transformation in a specific way reveals a rotational aspect, although they acknowledge this view may be misleading.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of Lorentz transformations and their implications for four-acceleration, with no consensus reached on the conceptualization of these transformations or their mathematical consequences.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the Lorentz transformation, particularly regarding its application to different frames and the nature of the four-acceleration vector. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in transitioning from special to general cases.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying special relativity, particularly in understanding the nuances of Lorentz transformations and their implications for four-vectors in different inertial frames.

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In an instantaneous co-moving inertial frame, the four-acceleration vector reduces to (0,a).

Why then does applying a Lorentz transformation to the above vector not produce the general form?
 
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That's because the co-moving frame has a changing speed,
and because a general result cannot be obtained from a special result.
The simple form (0,a) is valid only for a small lapse of time.

Using the full expression for the acceleration at any time in the once-co-moving frame,
would allow you to derive the expression in any other frame.
The general expression is Lorentz invariant.
 
lalbatros said:
...a general result cannot be obtained from a special result.
Yes, that makes sense to me. The problem I'm having is one of imagination. I have always pictured the Lorentz transformation as a kind of rotation. So I imagine a (0,a) vector being rotated from one position to another, and a one-to-one correspondence between a vector in the v=0 frame and the set of the same vector in all the other frames.

I know it works for four-momentum. That is, if one starts with the specific v=0 case m_0 (c,0) and Lorentz transforms it, it turns into the general case
\gamma m_0 (c,\bf {v})

I will give it more thought.
 
snoopies622 said:
I have always pictured the Lorentz transformation as a kind of rotation.


Are you able to explain that? Most people seem to picture & refer to it as a rotation, but I can't envision it.
 
Well, if you graph xi (i^2 = -1) on the horizontal axis versus ct on the vertical, then it's a rotation, and the angle is the rapidity. I suspect that some find that idea objectionable - it's misleading in some ways - but I still like it.

Correction: the angle is rapidity times i. Pretty weird, yes.
 
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