Why Does Osmosis Stop in Animal Cells?

  • Thread starter Thread starter liroj
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    diffusion osmosis
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of osmosis in animal cells, particularly red blood cells, when placed in slightly hypotonic solutions. Participants explore the mechanics of osmotic pressure, cell membrane elasticity, and the conditions under which osmosis ceases, questioning whether equilibrium is achieved in solute concentrations or if other factors intervene.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the pressure from water entering the cell causes osmosis to stop before equilibrium is reached, suggesting that the cytoplasm may retain a higher solute concentration than the surrounding solution.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of homeostasis and osmoregulation, implying that elasticity of the cell membrane may not be the sole factor limiting osmosis.
  • A different perspective is presented using a simplified model of a liposome, asking if osmosis stops when concentrations match or if osmotic pressure balances the internal pressure, indicating a potential difference in solute concentration remains.
  • One participant posits that the strength and elastic properties of the cell membrane influence the outcome, raising questions about the elasticity of blood cells compared to plant cells and their ability to withstand pressure.
  • A reference to a textbook discusses the swelling of animal cells in hypotonic solutions and the concept of osmotic lysis, suggesting that osmotic pressure and cell volume are critical factors in determining the outcome of osmosis.
  • Another participant reiterates the question about liposomes, suggesting that if they can expand without increasing internal pressure, osmosis would stop when concentrations equalize, but any pressure increase would halt osmosis when it equals the osmotic pressure.
  • One participant mentions the involvement of aquaporins, proposing that osmosis may stop at a saturation point of these proteins, which could differ from osmotic equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of osmosis and the factors influencing it, indicating that there is no consensus on whether osmosis stops at equilibrium or is affected by pressure and membrane properties. Multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the need for further exploration into the elastic properties of cell membranes and the role of active transport mechanisms, highlighting that assumptions about these factors may vary among participants.

liroj
Messages
15
Reaction score
0
I have a question about osmosis that goes a bit deeper than most basic textbooks so I cannot find the answer.Here's the problem:

Imagine an animal cell, say a red blood cell, in a slightly hypotonic solution. The water starts to flow in osmotically. The concentration of solute in the cell decreases. The cell slowly starts to swell but does not burst.

The question is: Does this water entering increases the pressure on the membrane (similar to turgor in plant cells only less, because the cell can increase in volume - comparable to elastic energy that must be overcome when blowing a balloon...) and does this cause osmosis to stop BEFORE the concentrations come to equilibrum (meaning that cytoplasm still has a bit more solute concentration than outside of cell) or do the concentrations perfectly match?

Thanx in advance.
 
Biology news on Phys.org
Is it not already defined? Homeostasis. The limits to osmosis isn't assumed to be the elasticity necessarily. I am not a biologist, but in my first year university we shared common courses. Osmoregulation -osmoconformers and osmoregulators. You need to look here i believe -if they still call them that. Not much help but points you in the right direction to help your self.
 
Forget cell's input - let's keep it as simple as possible. Imagine that instead of a real cell we have a phospholipide bilayer - liposome, impermeable to solutes. When does osmosis stop in a SLIGHTLY hypotonic solutions. Do the concentrations match equally or osmotic pressure matches pressure inside of liposome so inside is still more hypertonic than outside?
 
Since pressure can stop or reverse osmosis, then presumably any small increase in pressure will cause equilibrium while there is still a small difference in concentration.
The strength and elastic properties of the membrane should determine what happens for the given concentration difference.
I know nothing about the strength of cell membranes. Are blood cells really much more elastic than plant cells? Can they sustain much pressure?
Can a cell say double in size? If so, isn't it safe in solutions up to half the concentration of its intracellular fluid.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: liroj
From Lodish's Molecular Cell Biology textbook:
Animal cells will swell when they are placed in a https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/n/mcb/A7315/def-item/A7580/ solution (i.e., one in which the concentration of solutes is lower than it is in the https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/n/mcb/A7315/def-item/A7438/). Some cells, such as erythrocytes, will actually burst as water enters them by osmotic flow. Rupture of the https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/n/mcb/A7315/def-item/A7727/ by a flow of water into the cytosol is termed osmotic lysis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21739/

If the swelling does not result in bursting, there will be some combination of dilution and osmotic pressure that balances out the initial difference in solute concentration between the inside and outside of the cell. My intuition would be that osmotic pressure is the bigger factor (since cell volume cannot increase too much without bursting), but I'm not sure whether the relative contribution of each has been quantified. Cells may also possesses some active transport mechanisms to pump ions out of the cell to help prevent osmotic lysis.

For cells with a rigid cell wall (e.g. plant cells), it is definitely the case that osmotic pressure is the main factor that stops the net diffusion of water into the cells.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: liroj and jim mcnamara
(Edited ot an incomplete sentence here.)
liroj said:
... When does osmosis stop in a SLIGHTLY hypotonic solutions. Do the concentrations match equally or osmotic pressure matches pressure inside of liposome so inside is still more hypertonic than outside?
If your liposome can expand without increase of internal pressure, osmosis stops when the concentrations match.
If there is any increase in pressure, surely osmosis must stop when the pressure difference equals the osmotic pressure.

Although osmotic pressures can be large, many atmospheres, if the radius is small small enough, bubbles (like cells) can support large pressure differences with modest skin tension.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: liroj
liroj said:
I have a question about osmosis that goes a bit deeper than most basic textbooks so I cannot find the answer.Here's the problem:

Imagine an animal cell, say a red blood cell, in a slightly hypotonic solution. The water starts to flow in osmotically. The concentration of solute in the cell decreases. The cell slowly starts to swell but does not burst.

The question is: Does this water entering increases the pressure on the membrane (similar to turgor in plant cells only less, because the cell can increase in volume - comparable to elastic energy that must be overcome when blowing a balloon...) and does this cause osmosis to stop BEFORE the concentrations come to equilibrum (meaning that cytoplasm still has a bit more solute concentration than outside of cell) or do the concentrations perfectly match?

Thanx in advance.
If aquaporins are involved, then the osmosis stops when the acquaporins reach their substrate-saturation point, which may be different from osmotic equilibrium. If acquaprosins are not involved and it is all spontaneous diffusion, then it stops are equilibrium.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
18K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
10K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
27K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
8K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
7K