Why Does π+ Decay to Muon and Muonic Neutrino?

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The discussion centers on the decay of the π+ meson into a muon and a muonic neutrino, exploring the reasons behind this decay mode compared to a hypothetical decay into an electron and an electronic neutrino. The conversation touches on aspects of particle physics, weak interactions, and the implications of particle masses.

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  • One participant questions why the π+ decays specifically to a muon and muonic neutrino rather than an electron and electronic neutrino.
  • Another participant explains that while the decay to an electron is possible, it is extremely rare due to helicity suppression related to the mass of the electron compared to the muon.
  • A participant discusses the helicity requirements of the decay process and suggests that the left-handed nature of the electron and neutrino does not match their orientation, raising a question about the role of anti-neutrinos.
  • Another participant asserts that producing an anti-neutrino would violate lepton number conservation.
  • One participant provides a mathematical comparison of the decay widths for both decay modes, indicating that the decay to muons is approximately 10,000 times more probable than to electrons.
  • Several participants engage in a speculative discussion about the implications if the masses of the muon and pion were equal, suggesting that the pion could be stable under certain conditions.
  • There is a consideration of kinematic constraints that would prevent decay if the sum of the daughter masses exceeds the parent mass.
  • One participant speculates on the consequences of massless electrons and the potential decay modes that could arise in such a scenario.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of particle masses and decay modes, with no consensus reached on the hypothetical scenarios discussed. The rarity of the decay to electrons is acknowledged, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the broader implications of mass and decay processes.

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The discussion includes assumptions about particle masses and helicity that are not fully resolved. The mathematical expressions provided depend on specific parameters related to weak interactions and particle properties.

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I am having a question in mind that why π+ decays to muon and muonic neutrino ,why no electron and electronic neutrino?
 
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It is possible, but extremely rare. The decay happens via the weak interaction, so all particles involved must be left-handed. If you consider the spin of the involved particles, then the charged lepton has to be right-handed: If the leptons would be massless it would be completely impossible. Thanks to the non-zero mass, left-handed for the weak interaction (required for the decay) and left-handed for the direction of motion (forbidden by spin) are not exactly the same. With the large muon mass the difference is large, so this decay is quite likely. The electron is very light compared to the pion, it is close to the massless case - this decay is very rare (~1/10,000).

Wikipedia has a longer discussion of it
 
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Am I right that since electron is left handed and neutrino is also left handed that's why
doesn't match their orientation ,but in place of neutrino if anti neutrino is produced doesn't it work?
 
That would violate lepton number conservation.
 
The two decays:
\pi^+ \to \mu^+ \nu_\mu
\pi^+ \to e^+ \nu_e
are possible via weak interactions.
However, the 2nd is helicity-suppressed, due to the low mass of the electron. The width (if you follow some simple QFT calculations) is given by:
\Gamma ( \pi \rightarrow \mu\nu) = \beta_\pi m_\mu^2 \Big(1 - \frac{m_\mu^2}{m_\pi^2} \Big)^2
Where I have isolated some constants related to weak interactions and pions into the \beta_\pi.
A similar calculation for the electron (in fact just replacing the masses which is the only thing that differs) will give you:
\Gamma ( \pi \rightarrow e \nu) = \beta_\pi m_e^2 \Big(1 - \frac{m_e^2}{m_\pi^2} \Big)^2
Now you only have to divide the widths to see what's the ratio of decays to muons to those to electrons:
R(\mu / e ) = \frac{\Gamma ( \pi \rightarrow \mu\nu)}{\Gamma ( \pi \rightarrow e\nu)} = \frac{m_\mu^2}{m_e^2} \dfrac{\Big(1 - \frac{m_\mu^2}{m_\pi^2} \Big)^2}{\Big(1 - \frac{m_e^2}{m_\pi^2} \Big)^2}= \frac{m_\mu^2 ( m_\pi^2 - m_\mu^2 )^2 }{m_e^2 (m_\pi^2 - m_e^2 )^2}
Just putting in numbers you will get the result...
R(\mu / e ) \approx 8000 (or as they say ~10,000 times more probable to decay to muons).​
 
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It is always amusing to consider that if the mass of muon and pion were the same, the pion would be an stable particle at tree level, wouln't it? Well, considering also that the mass of electron is practically zero.
 
arivero said:
It is always amusing to consider that if the mass of muon and pion were the same, the pion would be an stable particle at tree level, wouln't it?

Why? The sum of the daughter masses is above the parent mass, so the decay is forbidden on kinematic grounds. Like zillions of others.

arivero said:
Well, considering also that the mass of electron is practically zero.

If the muon mass were equal to the pion mass and the electron were massless, I think you would have \pi^+ \rightarrow \pi^0 + e^+ + \nu.
 
arivero said:
It is always amusing to consider that if the mass of muon and pion were the same, the pion would be an stable particle at tree level, wouln't it?
It would still decay to electron plus neutrino. Its lifetime would be a factor 10,000 larger, but that is still just 0.25 milliseconds.
If you also make the electron massless, then you still have the decay to neutral pions or higher order diagrams. But the world as we know it wouldn't exist with massless electrons.
 

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