Why does placing an object near your forehead cause an uncomfortable feeling?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of feeling discomfort or dizziness when an object, such as a finger or pen, is placed near the forehead. Participants explore various aspects of this experience, including potential psychological effects, sensory perceptions, and comparisons to other phenomena like acupuncture and tickling. The scope includes personal anecdotes, speculative reasoning, and attempts to understand the underlying mechanisms.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants report feeling dizziness or discomfort when an object is placed near their forehead, while others do not experience the same effect.
  • One participant suggests that the sensation may be a placebo effect, while another argues that it is not psychological since they felt discomfort without prior knowledge of the method.
  • There is mention of a specific technique involving placing a finger just above the skin, with varying distances suggested by different participants.
  • Some participants relate the experience to anticipatory sensations, questioning if the discomfort arises from the expectation of being touched.
  • One participant draws a parallel to tickling, noting that self-inflicted sensations do not elicit the same response, raising questions about the nature of the discomfort felt.
  • Another participant suggests that the brain may react to the proximity of an object to the eyes, causing an uncomfortable feeling as a protective response.
  • Several participants express a desire to conduct further experiments to explore the phenomenon, including variations such as wetting the face.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the cause of the discomfort or dizziness. Multiple competing views exist regarding whether the sensation is psychological, anticipatory, or related to sensory processing. Some participants report different experiences, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their understanding or the clarity of the method described, indicating that the phenomenon may depend on individual sensitivity or interpretation of the experience.

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In the picture, you can see a red spot and a blue "stick". If you place your finger or a pen at the position of the blue stick at the area of the red spot, you'll feel dizzy even if you close your eyes. The finger / pen should be put as close as possible near your forehead without touching your skin. (I hope you can understand what I mean) Why is it so ?

www.geocities.com/bridgestein/face.jpg
 
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I don't know if anyone else has got the same problem but I could not get the link to work, sorry.
 
I got a dead link too.
 
Hmm... I don't feel dizzy. Maybe it's a placebo effect?
 
Hmm... I don't feel dizzy. Maybe it's a placebo effect?

What is placebo effect ?

Perhaps I wasn't specific enough. You can move your finger from the mid point of your eyes up by about 0.3 - 1.5 cm, there should be a particular point which can make you feel uncomfortable. Your finger should be just 0.2-0.6 mm above your skin (ie should be as close as possible). Some of my friends tried and it really works.
 
Originally posted by KL Kam
What is placebo effect ?

Perhaps I wasn't specific enough. You can move your finger from the mid point of your eyes up by about 0.3 - 1.5 cm, there should be a particular point which can make you feel uncomfortable. Your finger should be just 0.2-0.6 mm above your skin (ie should be as close as possible). Some of my friends tried and it really works.

The placebo effect...BOULDERHEAD LINK...basically, FZ+ was saying that you think you will be dizzy therefore you are dizzy.

I think you must focus in on the end of your finger to feel dizzy, other than that, my Ajana gets stimulated
 
FZ+ was saying that you think you will be dizzy therefore you are dizzy.

I think you must focus in on the end of your finger to feel dizzy,

My friend pointed her finger in front of my forehead and I felt dizzy without knowing this method can in fact make a person dizzy. So I don't think it is a psychological effect.It works even if you close your eyes! You can feel when your friend points a finger to your forehead.
 
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I got a little dizzy. But I'm drinking beer.
 
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It used to happen to me when I was a child, but it doesn't happen anymore.
 
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Put your finger at the mid point of your eyes (or move up 1-2 cm from that point) for at least 1 minute. YOur finger should be as close as your skin. I think I'm not a freak or I have any supernatural power! :smile:

Well in fact I'm thinking of whether this phenomenon is related to the theory behind acupuncture or acupuncture points.
 
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I didn't get dizzy, but my hand sure did get sore. Wow, there's some real powerful voodoo at work here...
 
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I think it has something to do with you anticpating being touched by the pen. I wonder if your eyes were closed and you didn't know if they pen were there if it would work. I tried to do something like that, it seemed different to me.
 
  • #16
Originally posted by amos behavin
I got a little dizzy. But I'm drinking beer.
I'll try that.

And maybe the pen thing again too...

I didn't get dizzy, but my hand sure did get sore. Wow, there's some real powerful voodoo at work here...
My hand got tired and I almost fell asleep. But then that could be the beer.
 
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yeah, I've always wondered about that too ! I know what you mean, it feels like the pen is touching your skin, but it isn't. Its a kinda itchy feeling for me.

I think its the fact that you are anticipating to be touched that gives the feeling.
 
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But I have some reservations. I remember some experiments that took place regarding tickling. Basically, it is impossible to tickle yourself, because the motor cortex "warns" your perceptual neurones beforehand as to self-inflicted sensations. If the dizziness is related, then this should also be true.

Hmm... I have an idea... Wet your face and then repeat the experiment, or get a friend to do it again. Do you still feel dizzy?
 
  • #19
I tried it along my entire face...felt exactly the same-nothing.
 
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i just noticed this post but can't participate

the link is dead

is this jpg posted anywhere else?
 
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screwball, please copy and paste the following link in your browser instead of just clicking on it, then you'll be able to see the picture.
www.geocities.com/bridgestein/face.jpg

Good luck screwball

But I have some reservations. I remember some experiments that took place regarding tickling. Basically, it is impossible to tickle yourself, because the motor cortex "warns" your perceptual neurones beforehand as to self-inflicted sensations. If the dizziness is related, then this should also be true.

Hmm... I have an idea... Wet your face and then repeat the experiment, or get a friend to do it again. Do you still feel dizzy?

I'll get my friend to do it again tomorrow, and will try this experiment on at least 3 of my classmates, see if they can feel the same. I wet my face and did it again, and I really could feel something. As I've said before, one day, my friend pointed her finger at my forehead suddenly, I felt a little bit dizzy after a while (about 10-15 seconds), and then she asked me how I felt. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "dizzy", well, at least you should have uncomfortable feeling.

I'll tell you the result of the experiment tomorrow.
 
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um...school was closed on monday due to bad weather...

I tried this trick to my classmates, to my surprise, some of them knew it already.

It really works, no matter your eyes are closed or opened. You can really feel something if you point your finger at the point indicated in the attached picture. Perhaps i didn't explain the method very clearly...
 
  • #23
I wouldn't describe the effect as "becoming dizzy" or even as an "itch", but more generally as an "uncomfortable feeling". The effect was greatest the first couple times and now after doing it 20-25 times, I hardly feel it. It appears to have very little to no effect when my eyes are closed.

I think the reason it happens is because your brain is alarmed at something being so close to your eyes, normally you blink or move away to protect your eyes, but since you are resisting these actions, your brain makes you feel uncomfortable. After a while, it gets used to your finger/pen/whatever being there so the feeling subsides.
 

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