Why does Planck's Law have different peaks?

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The discussion centers around the differences in peak values derived from Planck's law when expressed in terms of wavelength versus frequency. Participants explore the implications of these differences and the underlying relationships between wavelength and frequency in the context of blackbody radiation.

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  • One participant notes that the peak wavelength (lambda_max) and peak frequency (nu_max) derived from Planck's law do not satisfy the relationship with the speed of light when multiplied together.
  • Another participant suggests that the inverse relationship between wavelength and frequency can be illustrated through an analogy involving running a race with varying velocities, which leads to a peak time that does not correspond directly to the peak velocity.
  • A different participant references a paper discussing the spectral optimization of the human eye, implying that the adaptation of human vision to the solar spectrum may not be as straightforward as assumed.
  • One participant challenges the use of a Gaussian distribution in the analogy, arguing that it leads to complications when considering the reciprocal relationship and suggests using a different distribution that avoids problematic values.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the analogy used to explain the relationship between wavelength and frequency, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach to illustrate the concept.

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Some participants highlight limitations in the choice of statistical distributions when discussing the relationship between variables, suggesting that the assumptions made may affect the conclusions drawn from the analogy.

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Suppose we have a blackbody at temperature T. Then if we write Planck's law for wavelength, and find the wavelength corresponding to the peak, we get a certain value lambda_max. If, on the other hand, you wrote Planck's law for frequency, and we found the frequency corresponding to peak of that, we get a certain value nu_max.

But if you multiply lambda_max and nu_max, you do not get the speed of light. In other words, the peak of Planck's law for wavelength does not correspond to the peak of Planck's law for frequency. How is this possible?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
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Hello,
Have a look at the following article:
Title: A better presentation of Planck’s radiation law
Author: Jonathan M. Marr and Francis P. Wilkin.
You question is answered there.
Cheers, Rajini.
 
It comes about from the inverse relation between wavelength and frequency. Try thinking about the following situation, which might be easier to visualize. Suppose you are running a race which is 100 m long, and you run it many times with a distribution of velocities which peaks at 10 m/s. Try choosing some distribution of velocities (say a Gaussian) then calculate the time it takes to run the race, and plot the distribution of times. You will find that the time it takes to run the race does not peak at 10 s, as you might think, but peaks at a slightly longer time. This is because the slower races take a longer time, and shift the distribution to longer times. The inverse relation between velocity and time causes the same shift as the inverse relation between wavelength and frequency.
 
There's also a paper which discusses the spectral optimization of the human eye wrt to this and argues that it isn't adapted to the solar spectrum as well as one might naively think.

Some paradoxes, errors, and resolutions concerning the spectral optimization of human vision
B. H. Soffer, D.K. Lynch,
Am. J. Phys. 67 (11), November 1999
 
phyzguy said:
Try choosing some distribution of velocities (say a Gaussian)
Not a Gaussian! Given some random variable X with a Gaussian distribution X~N(μ,σ2), a random variable Y=1/X will have a rather ill-behaved, Cauchy-like distribution. The problem is that because X is normally distributed, values of X can get very close to zero with non-zero probability.

Pick a better distribution, one for which the pdf is zero for all x less than or equal to 0.Suppose you do have a random variable X whose reciprocal results in a well-behaved distribution. The mean of 1/X will not be 1/E[X]. It will depend on E[X] and on all higher moments of X about the mean:
$$E\left[\frac 1 X\right] = \frac 1 {\bar X} \left(1 + \sum_{k=2}^{\infty} (-1)^k \frac {E\left[(X-\bar X)^k\right]} {\bar X ^k}\right)$$
 

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