What is the paradox in Planck's Law?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of Planck's Law for blackbody radiation, particularly the differences in results obtained when analyzing the law in frequency versus wavelength domains. Participants explore the physical interpretation of these differences and present a thought experiment involving a hypothetical scenario with a cat to illustrate the perceived paradox.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant understands the derivation of Planck's Law but questions the physical implications of the differing peak values in frequency and wavelength domains.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may stem from integration by substitution and provides a link for further reading.
  • A participant emphasizes that the paradox arises from the peaks of the distributions leading to different results, questioning whether the cat lives or dies based on photon detection.
  • Some participants argue that the problem can be resolved by recognizing that the peaks correspond to distributions and that the relationship between frequency and wavelength is non-linear.
  • One participant presents mathematical expressions for photon flux in both domains, noting that they still yield different peak values.
  • Another participant points out that the non-linear relationship between frequency and wavelength explains why the peaks do not match, suggesting that the perceived paradox is due to differences in the selectivity of the detectors.
  • Some participants discuss the arithmetic implications of averaging reciprocals, suggesting that the paradox may not be fundamentally tied to quantum mechanics or statistical mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the results from Planck's Law in different domains. While some suggest that the issue is resolvable through understanding distributions, others maintain that the paradox remains unresolved, leading to ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering the range of photon energies detected by the counters and the implications of using different units (energy, wavelength, frequency) in their calculations. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and interpretations regarding the relationship between frequency and wavelength.

  • #61
The problem with a histogram is the arbitraryness of the division of parameter space into different slots. This arbitraryness can be removed -- for the classical case, at any rate -- by using a accumulation curve.

In the ball-bearing experiment this curve would have height zero for diameter or volume zero, and increase by one step at every diameter or volume which is found. (If two or more balls have exactly the same diameter or volume, the curve would increase by two or more steps.) At infinite diameter or volume the height of the curve would be equal to the number of balls tested.

Now, instead of finding a peak in the distribution, one has to find the region of greatest steepness in the accumulation curve. Finding this region for the volume-curve and the diameter curve, we find a volume and a diameter. The question is now whether the relation between this diameter and volume are the same relation which we would expect in any individual ball.

In the quantum case, one would have to test two equivalent samples, measuring wavelength for one sample and frequency for the other one. In principle one of them should be measurable exactly if one forgoes measuring the other one. But if exact measurements are not possible, the accumulation curve will change from a sharp curve consisting of little steps into a more fuzzy, "S-shaped" band. (Not really S-shaped, of course; more like a hillside.) A region of greatest steepness should still be there to be found, though not to be pinpointed exactly.
 
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  • #62
cmos said:
\dot n(\nu) = \frac{2\pi\nu^2}{c^2} \frac{1}{e^{h\nu/kT}-1}

How you found that expression?
 
  • #63
\dot n(\nu,T) = \frac{J(\nu,T)}{h\nu} :confused:

But why?
 

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