Why Does Saturation Need Undisolved Solute?

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The discussion centers around the necessity of undissolved solute in defining a saturated solution, exploring theoretical and conceptual aspects of saturation in solutions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Homework-related

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  • One participant questions why a saturated solution cannot exist without excess undissolved solute, suggesting a scenario where saturation could occur without it.
  • Another participant explains that saturation means no more solute can be dissolved, and the presence of excess solute serves as an indicator of this state.
  • A different viewpoint argues that a saturated solution can exist without undissolved solute if it is in equilibrium with the solid, although this state may be sensitive to changes in temperature.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on conditions such as temperature and the definitions of saturation and equilibrium, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon.

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Homework Statement



Why is the presence of undissolved solute necessary for the solution to be considered saturated?

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Why can't there just be a saturated solution with no "excess" solute? For example, why can't there be a point od saturation where one more molecule would cause two molecules to bond and form the smallest "crystal" possible?

Or am I just being too specific?
 
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What's the meaning of a solution being saturated? It means you can't solve any more stuff into it. But how can you understand you can't do that?
Simple, you solve and solve and solve until no more can be solved. So the excess is only for us to understand when the saturation occurs, otherwise how can you tell you can solve any more stuff or not at any time?
 
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I don't think it is a necessary condition.

Technically if you take a solution that was in the equilibrium with the solid, and filter the solid out, you are left with a saturated solution that doesn't contain undissolved solute.

This is tricky, as a slight change in temperature can make the solution unsaturated, so the presence of the solid definitely helps to make sure solution is saturated.
 
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Thanks guys!
 

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