Why does steel change it's colour through heating

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of color change in steel when heated, particularly in the context of a soldering iron's heating element. Participants explore the underlying causes of this color change, considering factors such as oxidation and crystalline structure alterations, as well as the concept of thin film interference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific reasons for the color change, suggesting it could be due to oxidation or changes in crystalline structure.
  • Another participant proposes that increased oxidation occurs in the hottest parts of the steel, leading to darker colors.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the color variations are related to temperature differences and interactions with air molecules, indicating a more complex phenomenon.
  • Some participants assert that the colors are due to a thin layer of magnetite formed from oxidation, with the colors known as "temper colors" indicating varying oxide thicknesses based on time at temperature.
  • One participant mentions the similarity of this effect to colors seen when oil or gas drops fall on water, hinting at thin film interference.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of thin film interference, explaining that the reflected light from different interfaces causes the observed colors, which change with oxide thickness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary cause of the color change, with some attributing it to oxidation and others to thin film interference. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which explanation is more accurate or if both contribute to the phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about oxidation processes and the specific conditions under which the color changes occur. The dependence on definitions of terms like "temper colors" and "thin film interference" is also noted.

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Hi. I'm just curious why did the colour of the heating element of my soldering iron change (see the picture attached). I mean I know it's because of the heating but what exactly makes the colour change? Is it oxide? Or is it because of a change in the crystalline structure of the metal?
 

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I think simply more oxidation in those parts. From experiences I have had recently the part that gets hottest becomes darkest or changes the color the most. That's the hottest part right?

-scott
 
As scott alexsk said, the differences in colors probably has to do with the temperature variation on the surface and interaction with gas molecules in the air. Gokul may be able to give you a more comprehensive explanation of what's going on with relation to this phenomena.
 
It doesn't seem to be oxide, since the colour differs in different regions. If it was an oxide i guess there would've had to be different shades of the same colour. But the colours vary from yellow to purple and then blue in the middle.
 
Yes it is from oxidation - specifically the thin layer of magnetite that forms on the hot steel as oxygen diffuses into it. The colors formed are called "temper colors", and are typically indicative of the (usually sub-micron) thickness of oxide formed (which in turn is a function of time at temperature). At different positions, the time at elevated temperatures is different, making the oxide thicknesses different.

http://www.anvilfire.com/FAQs/temper_colors.htm

Note: A chunk of magnetite is back in color, so this isn't really the color of the oxide that you are seeing, but rather, the effect on the color due to the thin film.
 
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I see. Thanks.
 
That's effect similar in nature to the colors you can see when oil/gas drop falls on the water.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Yes it is from oxidation - specifically the thin layer of magnetite that forms on the hot steel as oxygen diffuses into it. The colors formed are called "temper colors", and are typically indicative of the (usually sub-micron) thickness of oxide formed (which in turn is a function of time at temperature). At different positions, the time at elevated temperatures is different, making the oxide thicknesses different.

http://www.anvilfire.com/FAQs/temper_colors.htm

Note: A chunk of magnetite is back in color, so this isn't really the color of the oxide that you are seeing, but rather, the effect on the color due to the thin film.
I never got really proficient at it, but I have "accidentally" tempered a few knife blades to the point where they are fairly tough to sharpen, but hold an edge really well. I got some tips from an old machinist who was quite proficient at making cutting tools.
 
turbo-1 said:
I never got really proficient at it, but I have "accidentally" tempered a few knife blades to the point where they are fairly tough to sharpen, but hold an edge really well.
When you say 'accidentally', you don't mean 'by grinding', do you?! :eek:
 
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Gokul43201 said:
When you say 'accidentally', you don't mean 'by grinding', do you?! :eek:
No, I used steel from saw blades or other cutters, softened the materials to make them amenable to shaping with bench/belt grinders, shaped them into blades, and then heat-treated them. I made a slim letter-opener in the profile of a Buck Duke with linen Micarta scales that will slice you like a razor if you're careless. The host material was a cutter blade made for slicing paper on a high-speed paper machine, and it certainly couldn't have been shaped without softening. The host blade was made by the Hyde Knife company, and the quality of the finished blade was a function of my intuition and the guidance of a really sharp old guy who had a great "feel" for the way heat can temper the finished product.
 
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You have to be careful with the temper you put on steel. Normally the harder you make it the more brittle it becomes. I found this out tempering chisels. When I made them real hard the sharp edge at the tip was extremely hard, but would fragment instead of just getting dull over time. Also the alloy of the steel will denote what kind of temper it can receive (wrought iron cannot be tempered at all, not enough carbon).
Jim
 
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antonantal said:
Hi. I'm just curious why did the colour of the heating element of my soldering iron change (see the picture attached). I mean I know it's because of the heating but what exactly makes the colour change? Is it oxide? Or is it because of a change in the crystalline structure of the metal?
This effect is called "thin film interference". The colour is given by the light reflected from the two interfaces (air/oxide and oxide/metal) interfering with itself. The oxide's thickness changes with temperature.
It's the same reason we can see colours in a pond with a thin oil spot on it, as Borek said.
See, e.g. :
http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=PhysicalOptics_ThinFilmInterference.xml
 
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