Why does taking the logarithm of both sides not work?

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the equation x = e^{-x} and understanding the validity of the methods used in the differentiation process. Participants are exploring the implications of treating the equation as a function versus an expression.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the attempt to differentiate both sides of the equation x = e^{-x} and question why this method is invalid. There are references to the correct answer and the nature of the functions involved.

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Some participants have offered insights into the distinction between treating an equation as an expression versus a function. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the differentiation process and its implications.

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There is mention of a specific question regarding the number of solutions to the equation e^{-x} = x, which adds context to the discussion about the validity of differentiation methods. Participants are also reflecting on the nature of the original equation and its interpretation.

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Homework Statement
Differentiate x=e^{-x}

The attempt at a solution
\ln{x}=\ln{e^{-x}}
\ln{x}=-x
\frac{d}{dx}\left(\ln{x}\right)=\frac{d}{dx}\left(-x\right)
\frac{1}{x}=-1

The correct answer is 1+e^{-x}. I know how to solve it that way; however, why is the above method wrong? I know there are usually two variables, but I can't see any mathematical errors in my method.

Thank you.
 
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Hi Hypercubes! :smile:
Hypercubes said:
Differentiate x=e^{-x}

The correct answer is 1+e^{-x}.

Obviously a misprint, for "Differentiate x-e^{-x}" :wink:
 
Well, the exact question was "explain why the equation e^{-x} = x has exactly one solution", and the answer goes on to define f(x) = x-e^{-x} and says "Since f'(x) = 1 + e^{-x}, and 1 + e^{-x} > 0 for all x, the function f is increasing..."

So they set it to 0 to get the derivative. However, why was the method I used not valid?
 
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Your expression, x=e^{-x} is just that -- an expression. You cannot treat it as a function. In particular, you can't differentiate both sides and expect something meaningful to pop out. What you can do is to rewrite it as x-e^{-x} = 0, and now the quantity on the right hand side f(x)=x-e^{-x} can be treated as a function. You aren't differentiating both sides of f(x)=0. Just one.
 
Ah, I see. Thanks you both!
 
As a simple example. Take the equation 3x-2=x. This equation has 1 solution x=1. If you differentiate both sides though, you get 3=1 which is obviously not true.

This is because the undifferentiated equation is asking a fundamentally different question than the differentiated equation. The equation 3x-2=x is asking "When is the function f(x)=3x-2 equal to the function g(x)=x?" While the differentiated equation is asking "When is the slope of the function f(x) equal to the slope of the function g(x)?"
 

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