Why Does the Atwood Machine Equation Deviate from Expected Results?

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The discussion revolves around an Atwood machine experiment, specifically testing the validity of the equation (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+1/R^2)a. The original poster is trying to understand the implications of this equation in a linear context, particularly regarding the slope and y-intercept when plotted as y=(m1-m2)g against x=a.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to interpret the equation in a linear format and questions the expected zero value of the y-intercept. Some participants inquire about the meaning of the variable R and its role in the equation. Others suggest that the equation may have inaccuracies and discuss the implications of friction and moment of inertia on the system's behavior.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the definitions and assumptions underlying the equation. Some have provided clarifications regarding the variable R and the correct form of the equation, while others express confusion about the relationship between the equation and the graphical representation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the variable R, with conflicting interpretations about its meaning. Additionally, the impact of friction and the moment of inertia on the system's dynamics is being discussed, highlighting potential constraints in the original equation's application.

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Homework Statement


I'm currently doing a lab that focuses on a pulley and have got stuck on on part.

The goal here is to use the data from the Atwood’s pulley experiment to test the validity of (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+1/R^2)a. In this equation, take the quantity (m1−m2)g as the y variable and the acceleration a as the x variable. This makes the equation linear. What does the slope and the y-intercept correspond to in this equation?

Regarding the y-intercept, it is expected to be zero according the equation. However, you will probably get a non-zero value for the y-intercept! What could be the reasons behind this deviation? Did we miss something while deriving the equation? Include a clear argument regarding this issue in your lab report.

Homework Equations


(m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+1/R^2)a
y=mx+b


The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly don't see what they are really asking in this situation. By looking at the equation as though it fits y=mx+b, the slope would be (m1+m2+1/R^2) however I am unsure as to what that is supposed to imply.
 
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What is R?

ehild
 
R is the radius (2.25 cm).
 
Your equation (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+1/R^2)a is wrong. You can not add cm-2 to kg. How did you get that equation?


ehild
 
ahhh sorry I misread. R is radians but I don't have radians given.
 
R is not radians, either. It is the radius of the pulley, but the correct formula is

(m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a,

where I is the moment of inertia of the pulley.

This formula does not take friction into account. Because of friction, the system does not start to move when (m1-m2)g is less than the force of friction. ehild
 
Oh thank you! That makes much more sense. I'm still really confused about how it relates to the slope and y-intercept though.
 

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