Why does the author's answer for (b) and (c) differ from my answer of 1-0.1k?

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities related to the appearance of the digit 0 among k random digits. Participants are examining the differences between their answers and those provided by an author, particularly focusing on the probabilities of 0 and 1 appearing or not appearing in the selected digits.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the probability calculations for the occurrence of the digit 0 in k random digits, questioning the author's differing results. Some participants explore the implications of different probabilities for varying occurrences of digits, such as k-1 and k-2 appearances.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the author's answers and exploring their own reasoning. Some guidance is offered regarding the calculation of probabilities, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific questions about the probabilities of digits appearing in random selections. There is an emphasis on understanding the underlying concepts rather than simply providing answers.

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Homework Statement
What is the probability that among k random digits (a) 0 does not appear; (b) 1 does not appear; (c)neither 0 nor 1 appears; (d) at least one of the two digits 0 and 1 does not appear ? Let A and B represents the event in (a) and (b). Express the other events in terms of A and B.
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(a) The probability that 0 appears k times in k random digits is 0.1k So, It does not appear in k random digits is 1 - 0.1k. But author says 0.9 k.
How is that?

(b) My answer is same as in (a) that is 1-0.1k. Author's answer is 0.9k.

(c)1 - 0.1k - 0.1k Author's answer is 0.8k. How is that?

How to answer (d) and other remaining part of the question?
 
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WMDhamnekar said:
(a) The probability that 0 appears k times in k random digits is 0.1k So, It does not appear in k random digits is 1 - 0.1k.
But what about appearing k-1 times? And k-2 times? If you found the probability for any appearance, then you can subtract from one to find the probability for no appearance.
WMDhamnekar said:
But author says 0.9 k.
(probability of not appearing in slot 1)*(probability of not appearing in slot 2)... = (.9)*(.9)...
 
WMDhamnekar said:
Homework Statement:: What is the probability that among k random digits (a) 0 does not appear; (b) 1 does not appear; (c)neither 0 nor 1 appears; (d) at least one of the two digits 0 and 1 does not appear ? Let A and B represents the event in (a) and (b). Express the other events in terms of A and B.
Relevant Equations:: No relevant equations

(a) The probability that 0 appears k times in k random digits is 0.1k So, It does not appear in k random digits is 1 - 0.1k. But author says 0.9 k.
How is that?

(b) My answer is same as in (a) that is 1-0.1k. Author's answer is 0.9k.

(c)1 - 0.1k - 0.1k Author's answer is 0.8k. How is that?

How to answer (d) and other remaining part of the question?
If you use the digits ##0, 1, 2## only to simplify things and take ##k = 3##, say, then you should be able to simulate the experiment and understand what is happening. E.g. For a) you have:

111
112
121
122
211
212
221
222

That have no ##0##.

Once you understand this example, you can extend it to 0-9 and then to ##k## digits for any ##k##.
 
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WMDhamnekar said:
(a) The probability that 0 appears k times in k random digits is 0.1k So, It does not appear in k random digits is 1 - 0.1k. But author says 0.9 k.
How is that?
##0.1^k## is the probability that 0 appears in all ##k## digits. It's the probability of ##0_1 0_2 ... 0_k##.
As a sanity check, notice that as ##k## gets larger, your answer, ##1-0.1^k## approaches 1. Does that make sense? That implies that as ##k## gets huge, it becomes almost certain that no ##0## appears. In reality, as ##k## gets huge, say a million, it is almost certain that there will be at least one zero.

The correct answer is that the other digits DO appear in all ##k## places. That probability is ##0.9^k##.

Your answers to the other parts must be adjusted accordingly.
 
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