Why Does the Cross Product of î and ĵ Equal k̂?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical definition and properties of the cross product, specifically addressing why the cross product of the unit vectors î and ĵ equals k̂. The scope includes theoretical definitions and mathematical reasoning related to vector operations.

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  • One participant asks for clarification on why î x ĵ = k̂.
  • Another participant prompts for the definition of the cross product.
  • Several participants discuss the definition of the cross product, noting that the expression a x b = absinθ is not the correct definition, but rather pertains to the magnitude of the cross product.
  • A participant provides a formal definition of the cross product in terms of its components, suggesting that this definition can be used to show that î x ĵ = k̂.
  • Another participant outlines a method for defining the cross product using specific relationships between the unit vectors, emphasizing linearity and anti-commutativity.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a correct understanding of the cross product, but there is no consensus on a single definition or approach, as multiple definitions and methods are presented.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the distinction between the scalar and vector forms of the cross product, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the definitions involved.

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how is î x jcap = kcap? Please help!
 
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Do you know the definition of the cross product?
 
yes. a x b = absinθ
 
AakashPandita said:
yes. a x b = absinθ

Do you realize that the RHS of what you wrote is a scalar?
 
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AakashPandita said:
yes. a x b = absinθ
That's not the definition, and that equality isn't correct. You may be thinking of the result ##\left|\mathbf a\times\mathbf b\right|=|\mathbf a||\mathbf b|\sin\theta##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors.

There are many equivalent ways to define the cross product. One of them is
$$(a_1,a_2,a_3)\times(b_1,b_2,b_3)=(a_2b_3-a_3b_2,a_3b_1-a_1b_3,a_1b_2-a_2b_1).$$ You should check what definition your book uses, and then try to use it to prove that it implies that
$$\mathbf i\times\mathbf j=\mathbf k.$$
 
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Fredrik said:
That's not the definition, and that equality isn't correct. You may be thinking of the result ##\mathbf a\times\mathbf b=|\mathbf a||\mathbf b|\sin\theta##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors.

Again LHS is a vector, RHS is a scalar. :wink:
 
pwsnafu said:
Again LHS is a vector, RHS is a scalar. :wink:
LOL, yes I know. That's why I started typing that. Somehow I forgot to type the absolute value symbols on the left. I will edit my post.
 
Oh I understood. (ab sin theta) was only the magnitude.

Thank you very very much!
 
One good way of defining the cross product is to start with
1)\vec{i}\times\vec{j}= \vec{k}
2)\vec{j}\times\vec{k}=\vec{i}
3)\vec{k}\times\vec{i}= \vec{j}
Then extend it to all other vectors by "linearity" in the first component:
(\vec{u}+ \vec{v})\times \vec{w}= \vec{u}\times \vec{w}+ \vec{v}\times \vec{w}
and by "anti- commutativity":
\vec{u}\times\vec{v}= -\vec{v}\times\vec{u}

What you are asking about is (1) above.

Another, equivalent but less "sophisticated", way to define the cross product is to simply say that
(A\vec{i}+ B\vec{j}+ C\vec{k})\times(P\vec{i}+ Q\vec{j}+ R\vec{k})= (BR- CQ)\vec{i}- (AR- CP)\vec{j}+ (AQ- BP)\vec{k}

and then, \vec{i}\times\vec{j} has A=1, B= 0, C= 0, P= 0, Q= 1, R= 0
so the product is (0(0)- 0(1))\vec{i}- (1(0)- 0(0))\vec{j}+ (1(1)- 0(0))\vec{k}= \vec{k}
 

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