Why does the cross section for Dark Matter decrease with increasing mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of dark matter (DM) cross sections in relation to mass, particularly why cross sections appear to decrease with increasing mass in exclusion plots. Participants explore theoretical models, experimental observations, and the implications of these relationships within the context of weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs).

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between mass and cross section, suggesting that higher mass should correlate with a higher probability of interaction and thus a higher cross section.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for specific references to support claims about exclusion plots, noting that these plots represent upper bounds rather than actual cross sections.
  • A participant mentions that the relationship between cross section and energy for WIMPs depends on the specific cross section and dark matter model being considered.
  • It is noted that higher mass particles are easier to detect due to reduced background noise, allowing searches for smaller cross sections.
  • Some participants argue that theoretical predictions for cross sections are often unclear or vary significantly, leading to a focus on empirical searches.
  • Concerns are raised about the misleading nature of certain plots, with a participant suggesting that WIMP models could exist that do not couple to nucleons at all.
  • Discussion includes the idea that certain coupling constants may lead to a "natural" region in exclusion plots, while others may require very small values.
  • Participants mention potential methods to probe the neutrino floor, including directional detectors and experiments designed to enhance signal over background ratios.
  • One participant argues that it is feasible to construct models where dark matter has a very tiny interaction rate with ordinary matter, questioning the notion of naturalness in coupling constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass and cross section, the interpretation of exclusion plots, and the nature of theoretical predictions. There is no consensus on these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of theoretical predictions for dark matter interactions, the dependence on specific models, and the challenges posed by background noise in detection experiments. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field.

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Hello! In most papers that present exclusion plots as cross section versus mass, the plot has a specific shape in which mostly the cross section decreases with mass. I am a bit confused why. If you assume that the density and speed of DM is constant, shouldn't a higher mass (and hence a higher energy), have a higher probability of interaction with the nucleus and hence a higher cross section?
 
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Please give specific examples of references that show such plots. "I have read that" or "In papers that" is not a good starting point for a discussion.

Also, exclusion plots do not show actual cross sections, they show upper bounds on cross sections.
 
Orodruin said:
Please give specific examples of references that show such plots. "I have read that" or "In papers that" is not a good starting point for a discussion.

Also, exclusion plots do not show actual cross sections, they show upper bounds on cross sections.
I apologize, but you answered my question. However, is there any predicted relation between the cross section and energy for WIMPs?
 
That depends on which cross section you refer to and what dark matter model you are considering.
 
One more thing about the exclusion limits: Particles with higher mass are easier to see in the detectors as there is less background, so typically you can search for smaller cross sections there.

Often there are no clear theoretical predictions for cross sections, or the predictions differ by orders of magnitude, so we just look where ever we can. Here is a plot for WIMPs
 
mfb said:
Often there are no clear theoretical predictions for cross sections, or the predictions differ by orders of magnitude, so we just look where ever we can. Here is a plot for WIMPs
I think that figure (shown below for reference) is slightly misleading. The generic WIMP region should extend down in the plot as you can construct models where WIMPs essentially do not couple to nucleons at all. That you could not see such WIMPs in direct detection experiments because of the neutrino floor is a different story.
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I have seen similar plots elsewhere as well. Would that region be somewhat natural (some coupling constants not too far away from 1) and the smaller ones need some very small numbers?

There are ideas how to get a bit into the neutrino floor - directional detectors, "signal over background" experiments and so on. You never reach arbitrarily small values of course, and it will get much more challenging there if nothing is found before.
 
mfb said:
Would that region be somewhat natural (some coupling constants not too far away from 1)

By that criterion, the SM electron mass is unnatural, since it's Higgs Yukawa is tiny.

One can easily cook up models where DM has a very, very tiny interaction rate with ordinary matter. That's not a problem at all.
 

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