Why does the dx cancel out in partial derivatives for conservative fields?

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The discussion revolves around the cancellation of the differential element \(dx\) in the context of partial derivatives within conservative fields. Participants explore the implications of applying the chain rule for multivariable functions and the definition of line integrals, focusing on the mathematical reasoning behind these concepts.

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  • One participant questions why \(d\phi/dx \cdot dx\) cancels out, suggesting a misunderstanding of the application of the chain rule in multivariable contexts.
  • Another participant clarifies that the correct form involves partial derivatives, stating that \(\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dx\) accounts for changes in multiple variables, not just \(x\).
  • A further reply emphasizes the importance of parametrizing the path for evaluating line integrals and relates this to the definition of conservative fields.
  • One participant presents an intuitive interpretation of \(dx\) as a rate, linking it to the sensitivity of \(\phi\) and the gradient, suggesting that the relationship is about rates of change rather than simple cancellation.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the cancellation of \(dx\) and the application of the chain rule. There is no consensus on a singular explanation, and multiple perspectives on the topic remain present.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of applying multivariable calculus concepts and the nuances in understanding the relationship between differentials and partial derivatives. Some assumptions about the nature of the functions and the paths taken in integrals are not fully explored.

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Hi, I was reading something on conservative fields, in this example \phi is a scalar potential. (Please refer to the attatched thumbnail). It's partial derivatives, but I'm not sure why the d\phi/dx * dx, the dx should cancel out? and that should leave d\phi. So the integral should be -3∫d\phi. I know this is wrong, but I'm not sure why, can someone explain?

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You are trying to apply the "one variable" chain rule to a multivariable function. The chain rule for multivariable functions is
\frac{d\phi}{dz}= \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+ \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}
or in "differential form"
d\phi= \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y}dy
 
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It does not say ##\frac{d\phi}{dx}dx## etc, it says ##\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dx## etc. and that is not the same thing. A function of three variables ##\phi(x,y,z)## changes if any of three variables changes, not just ##x##, and if all the variables change, then these changes all contribute to the change in ##\phi##.
To derive the formula, choose a path from ##a## to ##b## and parametrize it, and then evaluate the line integral using this parametrization.
 
To answer your question, it's better to go back to the definition of a line integral. To that end we give the curve in parameter representation
C: \quad \vec{x}=\vec{x}(t), \quad t \in [t_1,t_2].
Let further be \vec{V}(\vec{x}) a vector field. Then by definition the line integral of this field along the curve is given by
\int_C \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{V}(\vec{x})=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{dt} \frac{\mathrm{d} \vec{x}}{\mathrm{d} t} \cdot \vec{V}[\vec{x}(t)].

Now suppose \vec{V}=-\vec{\nabla} \phi. Now according to the chain rule for multi-variable functions we have
\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \phi[\vec{x}(t)]=\frac{\mathrm{d} x}{\mathrm{d}t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}+\frac{\mathrm{d} y}{\mathrm{d}t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y}+\frac{\mathrm{d} z}{\mathrm{d}t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial z}=\frac{\mathrm{d} \vec{x}}{\mathrm{d} t} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \phi[\vec{x}(t)]=-\frac{\mathrm{d} \vec{x}}{\mathrm{d} t} \cdot \vec{V}[\vec{x}(t).
Plugging this into the above integral gives
\int_{C} \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{V}(x)=-\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} V[\vec{x}(t)]=-[V(\vec{x}_2)-V(\vec{x}_1)],
where \vec{x}_1=\vec{x}(t_1) and \vec{x}_2=\vec{x}(t_2) are the boundary points of the curve.

Note that this result implies that if the vector field is conservative, i.e., if it is the gradient of a scalar field, the line integral connecting two points is independent of the shape of the curve.
 
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For me, the most intuitive way to think about this is to pretend that ##dx## is a rate, so that makes ##\phi_x dx = {\partial\phi \over \partial x} dx## the related rate and ##\phi_x## the x-sensitivity of ##\phi##. ##\phi##'s rate of change is the dot product of ##\phi##'s sensitivity vector (the gradient) and the variable rates of change.
 
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