Why does the melting point of graphite is higher than diamond?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the comparative melting points of graphite and diamond, exploring the reasons behind the observed differences. Participants examine the bonding characteristics of each material and the implications for their melting behavior, with references to experimental conditions and theoretical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the melting point of diamond should be higher due to its four covalent bonds compared to graphite's three, where one electron is free to move.
  • Others argue that graphite's melting point is higher because its C-C bonds exhibit partial double bond character, making them stronger and more difficult to break.
  • One participant notes the presence of Van der Waals forces between graphite layers, which, while weak, contribute to its melting behavior.
  • There is a challenge regarding the measurement of graphite's melting point, with one participant questioning what the claimed melting point is.
  • Some participants mention that diamond does not melt in the conventional sense but burns at high temperatures, with a melting point cited as 4300K, while graphite's is noted as 3948K.
  • Further contributions discuss the conditions under which diamonds can be melted, including high pressures and temperatures, and the assertion that diamond converts to graphite without melting at certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the melting points of graphite and diamond, with no consensus reached regarding the reasons for the differences or the specific melting points themselves. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in measuring the melting points and the conditions under which diamond may transition to graphite without melting. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of melting in different contexts.

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In diamond valence electrons are fully covalently bonded.But in graphite only three are covalently bonded while one electron is freely moving.So it seem that melting point of diamond should be higher than that of graphite because in diamond we should break four covalent bonds while in graphite only three bonds.Can anyone explain this pls?
 
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The melting point of graphite is slightly larger than the melting point of diamond, because in graphite C-C bonds have a partial double bond character and hence are stronger and more difficult to break.

There are also Van der Waals forces between the layers of graphite but these are relatively weak in comparison to a covalent bond. These weak forces allows layers of graphite to slide past each other...
 
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What are you claiming graphite´s melting point to be? It is still remarkably hard to measure!
 
why does the melting point of graphite is higher than diamond? I have the same problem. please can anyone explain this?
 
chandi2398 said:
why does the melting point of graphite is higher than diamond? I have the same problem. please can anyone explain this?
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Please read the above posts.
 
chandi2398 said:
why does the melting point of graphite is higher than diamond? I have the same problem. please can anyone explain this?

So starting with the same question: what do you claim graphite melting point is?
 
Diamond doesn't even melt, it burns. Even still the "melting" point of diamond is 4300K whereas graphite is 3948K
 
Chase said:
Even still the "melting" point of diamond is 4300[STRIKE]K[/STRIKE] whereas graphite is 3948[STRIKE]K[/STRIKE]
Corrected :wink:


It is possible to melt diamonds. However it is impossible to do at standard temperatures and pressures like that at SATP. It has been done by the Z-Machine at the Sandia National Laboratories by using a pressure of 10 million times normal Atmospheric pressure. To create the pressure, the machine's magnetic fields hurled small plates at the diamond
at 34 kilometers per second (21 miles per second), or faster than the Earth orbits the Sun.
Unfortunately in open air, the fact that is it large network of covalently bonded carbons make it extremely hard to melt in the first place. Secondly, diamond at high temperatures will not melt, rather it will prefer to burn, as characteristic of all carbon allotropes. A diamond will burn or oxidize when exposed to a hot flame in the presence of oxygen, for example an oxygen torch with a temperature of 800 degrees C (1,472 degrees F), according to The Merck Index, a standard chemistry reference work.


but it can be melted in the absence of air (or in vacuum) at a very very very high temperature
A melted diamond is uncommon.
 
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adjacent said:
It is possible to melt diamonds. However it is impossible to do at standard temperatures
Obviously objects that are solid at standard temperatures and pressures do not melt at standard temperatures generally.
adjacent said:
Secondly, diamond at high temperatures will not melt, rather it will prefer to burn, as characteristic of all carbon allotropes. A diamond will burn or oxidize when exposed to a hot flame in the presence of oxygen, for example an oxygen torch with a temperature of 800 degrees C (1,472 degrees F), according to The Merck Index, a standard chemistry reference work.


but it can be melted in the absence of air (or in vacuum) at a very very very high temperature

No, diamond cannot be melted in vacuum. Solid diamond at low pressures and high temperatures is converted to solid graphite without melting.
 

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