Why Does the Penny Slide Off the Record at 0.080m?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a penny placed on an LP record that accelerates to a specific rotational speed, leading to the penny sliding off if positioned too far from the center. The subject area includes concepts of circular motion, friction, and forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between frictional force and centripetal force, noting that friction must provide sufficient centripetal force for the penny to remain on the record. Questions arise regarding the role of mass and the necessary calculations involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun to outline the relationships between the forces involved and have provided initial guidance on how to approach the problem mathematically. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of mass in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of radius and velocity on the penny's ability to remain on the record, as well as the necessary assumptions regarding friction and acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A penny is placed on an LP record that is slowly accelerating up to 78 revolutions per minute. It is found that if the penny is placed at 0.080m or greater from the center, then the penny slides off the edge of the record. Find the coefficient of static friction if the mass of the penny is 0.0032kg.


Homework Equations


Ff = mu x n

a = v2/r


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to start. Can someone guide me please??
 
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Ok. Let us begin with this question. You are given the frequency of the LP (and thus the period as well), and you are given the mass of the penny. As you have written above,
Frictional Force = co-eff * Normal and centripetal acceleration = v^2/r = 4Pi^2r*frequency^2. For the penny to stay on the LP, friction has to provide enough centripetal force. When the radius is too great, the velocity of the penny is too large and it flys off the LP. Thus, we are looking for:
Force Friction = Force centripetal = mass of penny* centripetal acceleration.
The rest is plain math and some unit conversions.
 
inutard said:
Ok. Let us begin with this question. You are given the frequency of the LP (and thus the period as well), and you are given the mass of the penny. As you have written above,
Frictional Force = co-eff * Normal and centripetal acceleration = v^2/r = 4Pi^2r*frequency^2. For the penny to stay on the LP, friction has to provide enough centripetal force. When the radius is too great, the velocity of the penny is too large and it flys off the LP. Thus, we are looking for:
Force Friction = Force centripetal = mass of penny* centripetal acceleration.
The rest is plain math and some unit conversions.

thanks.

Normal is just equal to mg, right?
 
yes. So youll notice that the mass does not actually matter in the question since it cancels out.
 

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