Why does the value of cos(t) turn to 1 in the solution for v_c(0)=0?

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation involving the function \( v_c \) and its derivatives, specifically focusing on the term \( \cos(t) \) and its behavior at \( t=0 \). Participants are exploring the implications of initial conditions and the transformation of trigonometric functions in the context of solving the equation.

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between the differential equation and the behavior of \( \cos(t) \) at specific points. There are attempts to clarify the role of Fourier transforms and phase angles in the context of the problem. Questions arise regarding the correctness of formulas and the relevance of Fourier analysis versus other methods like Laplace transforms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are questioning the necessity of Fourier transforms for the problem at hand, while others are attempting to clarify the mathematical relationships involved. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take, but several lines of reasoning are being considered.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the initial conditions and the transformation of \( \cos(t) \) in the context of the differential equation. Participants are also discussing the appropriateness of different mathematical methods for solving the problem.

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[tex]\dot{v_c(0)}=2[/tex]
[tex]v_c(0)=0[/tex]

[tex]\ddot{v_c}+2\dot{v_c}+2v_c=\cos (t)[/tex]

[tex]-\omega ^2V_c-2+2j\omega V_c +2V_c=cos(t)[/tex]

in the solution i have +2 instead of the -2 that i got here(because we do -f'(0) when we find v_c double dot)

and why cos t turns to 1
??
 
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The Fourier series for a function is a sine and cosine sum:
[tex]f(x)= A_0 + A_1 cos(x)+ B_1sin(x)+ A_2cos(2x)+ B_2sin(2x)+ A_3cos(3x)+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]

If the function is simply a sine or cosine (or finite combination) the Fourier series is just that combination. In particular, if f(x)= cos(x)
[tex]f(x)= cos(x)= 0+ 1 cos(x)+ 0 sin(x)+ 0 cos(2x)+ 0 sin(2x)+ 0 cos(3x)+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex]
The only non-zero coefficient is [itex]A_1= 1[/itex].
 
whattt nooooooooooooooo

the forier transform of cos t is e^(i*f)
f-phase angle

and because its cos (t)
the phase angle is 0

so i get 1

!
 
is my formula correct
??
 
electron2 said:
whattt nooooooooooooooo

the forier transform of cos t is e^(i*f)
No, it is the sum of two delta functions located at f=(1/2π) Hz.

f-phase angle

and because its cos (t)
the phase angle is 0

so i get 1

!
What is 1?
And what was the question asked in the problem? Is it to solve the differential equation you wrote in post #1? Fourier transforms are not necessary for that. It is just not clear what is the problem that is to be solved here.
 
[tex]\ddot{v_c}+2\dot{v_c}+2v_c=\cos (t)[/tex]

[tex]-\omega ^2V_c-2+2j\omega V_c +2V_c=1[/tex]i was told that because the formula is e^(i*f)
f-is the phase ange
and we have cos t - phase angle =0
so e^(i*f)=1

ring a bell to you?
 
Okay, the phase angle f=0.

So e^(i*f) = e^0 = ____?
 
Redbelly98 said:
And what was the question asked in the problem? Is it to solve the differential equation you wrote in post #1? Fourier transforms are not necessary for that.
Nor appropriate. Since this is an initial value problem, use Laplace Transform. That way, your initial values will appear in the transformed equation. In that case, cos(t) certainly does not transform to 1.

Alternatively, assume an exponetial solution, and then solve for the parameters of the exponential. You can use superposition to get the cos(t) from two cleverly chosen exponentials. Then, match to the boundary (initial) conditions. (I would prefer the Laplace transform method - it is automatic.)
 
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