Why does the Wikipedia article use a negative sign in the 4-gradient?

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Apparently the contravariant components of the 4-gradient ##\partial## are ##\partial^{\mu} = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right)## where ##\nabla## is the usual 3-gradient. We can use the metric to lower the index like ##\partial_{\mu} = \eta_{\mu \nu} \partial^{\nu}## and if the signature is ##(+,-,-,-)## the space signs get flipped, so we should get ##\partial_{\mu} = (\partial_t, \nabla)##.

Why then in this Wikipedia article do they use ##\partial_{\nu} = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right)## when they write$$\partial \cdot J = \partial_{\nu} J^{\nu} = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right) \cdot (\rho, \vec{j}) = 0$$It's the right way round, since when we use the Minkowski inner product we recover the continuity equation ##\partial_t \rho = \nabla \cdot \vec{j}##, but they put a negative sign inside ##\partial_{\nu}##. So is it actually the other way around, i.e. ##\partial^{\mu} = \left(\partial_t, \nabla \right)## and ##\partial_{\mu} = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right)##? Sorry if I missed something!
 
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It looks like the article gets a bit muddled. Putting the inner product symbol between two rows of numbers is bound to get conceptually cloudy in this context.
 
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Ah, okay I think I get it now. Really it would be better just to say $$\partial \cdot J = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right) \cdot (\rho, \vec{j})$$either with all contravariant or all covariant components (in the above, all contravariant), or you can write it as the summation $$\partial \cdot J = \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu} = \partial^{\mu}J_{\mu}$$They're the same, but ##\partial^{\mu}## is an operator whilst ##\left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right)## is a tuple, and we shouldn't identify one with each other. So what they wrote is right, but maybe misleading.
 
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Ah, okay I think I get it now. Really it would be better just to say $$\partial \cdot J = \left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right) \cdot (\rho, \vec{j})$$or to do the summation $$\partial \cdot J = \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu} = \partial^{\mu}J_{\mu}$$They should be the same, but ##\partial^{\mu}## is an operator whilst ##\left(\partial_t, -\nabla \right)## is a tuple, and we shouldn't identify one with each other. So what they wrote is right, but maybe misleading.
$$\partial \cdot J = \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu} = \partial^{\mu}J_{\mu} = \partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec j$$
 
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PeroK said:
$$\partial \cdot J = \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu} = \partial^{\mu}J_{\mu} = \partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec j$$

Sounds good to me 😜
 
Something else just occurred; how do we know whether someone is using the repeated index notation to mean$$U_{\mu}U^{\mu} = U_0 U^0 - U_1 U^1 - U_2 U^2 - U_3 U^3 \quad \left( = \eta_{\mu \nu} U^{\mu} U^{\nu} \right)$$or a literal sum$$A_{\mu} A^{\mu} = A_0 A^0 + A_1 A^1 + A_2 A^2 + A_3 A^3$$Is this just another case of needing to keep your wits about you?
 
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Something else just occurred; how do we know whether someone is using the repeated index notation to mean$$U_{\mu}U^{\mu} = U_0 U^0 - U_1 U^1 - U_2 U^2 - U_3 U^3 \quad \left( = \eta_{\mu \nu} U^{\mu} U^{\nu} \right)$$

And always this:

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or a literal sum$$A_{\mu} A^{\mu} = A_0 A^0 + A_1 A^1 + A_2 A^2 + A_3 A^3$$
 
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Ah, right, of course you're correct. I got muddled, it should be$$A \cdot A = \eta_{\mu \nu} A^{\mu} A^{\nu} = A^0A^0 - A^1 A^1 - A^2 A^2 - A^3 A^3$$if you contract ##\eta_{\mu \nu} A^{\mu} = A_{\nu}##, you'd end up with$$\eta_{\mu \nu} A^{\mu} A^{\nu} = A_{\nu} A^{\nu} = A_0 A^0 + A_1 A^1 + A_2 A^2 + A_3 A^3$$but then, with the ##(+,-,-,-)## signature, you have ##A_i = -A_i## but ##A_0 = A^0##, so $$A_{\nu} A^{\nu} = A^0A^0 - A^1 A^1 - A^2 A^2 - A^3 A^3$$and everything works out as expected! Thanks :cool:
 
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