Why Does y=c*a^x Not Fit Data w/Negative Y & Positive X?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical function y=c*a^x and its ability to fit data points that include negative y-values and positive x-values. Participants explore the implications of the function's parameters and consider alternative forms of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the function y=c*a^x does not fit data with negative y-values and positive x-values.
  • Others suggest that the domain and range of the function should be considered, implying that a graphical analysis may provide insights.
  • A participant proposes that if c is negative, then y=c*a^x can indeed fit negative y-values, as a^x remains positive.
  • There is a suggestion that to fit data with both positive and negative y-values, the form y=c*a^x+b may be more appropriate, as it introduces an additional parameter.
  • Another participant emphasizes that any two points can be fitted with the function y=ca^x, regardless of the sign of c, and challenges others to find specific values for c and a that fit given points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fitting capabilities of the function y=c*a^x with respect to negative y-values. While some argue that it cannot fit such data without adjustments, others propose that it can under certain conditions, indicating a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of the parameters c and a, nor do they clarify the limitations of fitting functions to data points with varying signs. The discussion remains open regarding the assumptions about the values of c and a.

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i don't understand this...why will y=c*a^x not fit data which has negative y-values and positive x-values?... Will that same data fit y=c*a^x+b?

thanks in advance
 
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Think about this: What is the domain and range of [tex]y=ca^x[/tex]? As [tex]x[/tex] increases or decreases, will the domain and range change? It helps to look at a graph of this exponential function.
 
jimmy123 said:
i don't understand this...why will y=c*a^x not fit data which has negative y-values and positive x-values?... Will that same data fit y=c*a^x+b?

thanks in advance

??Actually it might. You just have to take c to be negative! Since a^x itself is always positive (whether x is negative or positive, c*a^x will be negative as long as c is negative.

If you want to try to fit to points that have y values both positive and negative, then you will have to try something like c*a^x+ b.

Of course, in the first case, since you have only two parameters, a and c, to determine, you can force it to fit more than two points. y= c*a^x+ b as three parameters, so you can fit that to three points.
 
Halls makes a good point.
Rather than analyzing the function with positive and negative values of [tex]c[/tex] and [tex]a[/tex], you can fit any two points with this function since it is in its most general form. Plus, you don't have to assume [tex]c[/tex] is restricted to be a positive number.

Try this: Find an exponential function in the form [tex]y=ca^x[/tex] by solving for [tex]c[/tex] and [tex]a[/tex] to fit points [tex](-2,-3)[/tex] and [tex](3,2)[/tex].
 

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