Why doesn't aircraft weight affect descent angle in a gliding flight

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The discussion revolves around the question of why aircraft weight does not affect the descent angle during gliding flight. Participants explore various aspects of aerodynamics, including lift, drag, and operational practices in aviation, while addressing both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations for lift and drag that incorporate weight, questioning the conventional understanding of descent angle in gliding.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between lift and lift-induced drag, suggesting that increased weight necessitates greater lift, which in turn increases drag and affects the angle of attack.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a stabilized approach and glideslope, explaining that pilots use visual references and systems to maintain descent angles, although this may not apply to pure gliding scenarios.
  • One participant challenges the previous point about glideslope, arguing that it does not accurately represent gliding conditions, as actual gliding involves different configurations and performance characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between weight, lift, and descent angle, with some focusing on theoretical aspects while others emphasize practical considerations in aviation. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the relationship between weight and descent angle, as well as the definitions of gliding versus powered flight. The discussion also highlights the complexity of aerodynamic principles and operational practices.

Leo Liu
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It's a homework question, but I feel like it fits better in this forum. The solution fails to convince me because C_D and C_L can be both written in terms of weight:
$$C_L=\frac{2W}{\rho v^2 S}$$
$$C_D=C_{D0}+k_1 C_L(W)+K_2 C_L(W)^2$$

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Any insight will be appreciated.
 
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The thing is that lift and lift-induced-drag are two faces of the same coin.
Within certain limits of angles and speeds, useful lift can’t exist without the useless drag induced by the wings.

If more lift is needed to keep a heavier load flying at the same speed, proportionally more lift-induced-drag will result (increased angle of attack).
If speed is instead increased to achieve more lift, more parasitic drag will be induced (increased skin friction and shape drag).

A jumbo jet has a gliding ratio as good as a very light airplane.
Both have an optimal speed/AOA for which both drags reach a minimum value, resulting in more economic horizontal flight (less fuel is used for same covered distance).

Please, also see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-induced_drag

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_drag

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There's another, more simplified answer to the question: a stabilized approach usually has a set angle for a given runway, called glideslope. Pilots will usually have external visual references, like VASI lights or the "sight picture" out the windshield, to help them line up on glideslope, and larger airports have radio beacons to help pilots alight with that slope in poor visibility. ILS systems are more expensive, though, and generally only appear at airports with frequent high-performance and turbine powered aircraft operations.
 
Flyboy said:
There's another, more simplified answer to the question: a stabilized approach usually has a set angle for a given runway, called glideslope. Pilots will usually have external visual references, like VASI lights or the "sight picture" out the windshield, to help them line up on glideslope, and larger airports have radio beacons to help pilots alight with that slope in poor visibility. ILS systems are more expensive, though, and generally only appear at airports with frequent high-performance and turbine powered aircraft operations.
That answer is not correct. The "glideslope" is perhaps incorrectly named as aircraft are not truly gliding but are using controlled power and flaps to achieve the desired descent angle. The OP was talking about actual gliding.

The glideslope varies by airport, although it is usually close to the clean glide ratio/angle for many planes. However during actual approach and landing with the plane in a dirty configuration with flaps in landing gear down the glide ratio of the plane is much worse or steeper than when clean. So if a plane loses its engine(s) on final approach it will not be able to glide to the runway.
 
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