Why Doesn't Nitrous Oxide Decompose at RTP Despite Negative Gibbs Free Energy?

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The discussion centers around the stability of nitrous oxide (N2O) at room temperature and pressure (RTP) despite its negative Gibbs free energy value, which suggests that decomposition into nitrogen and oxygen should be spontaneous. Participants explore the relationship between thermodynamic favorability and kinetic barriers to reaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why nitrous oxide does not decompose despite a Gibbs free energy of -105, suggesting a contradiction between thermodynamic predictions and observed stability.
  • Another participant explains that nitrous oxide requires sufficient energy, such as heat, to break bonds and decompose, indicating a need for activation energy.
  • A different participant acknowledges that while Gibbs free energy indicates spontaneity, it does not account for kinetic barriers, which may prevent the reaction from occurring at RTP.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between thermodynamic favorability (negative Gibbs free energy) and kinetic favorability (activation energy), suggesting that both must be considered to understand the reaction's behavior.
  • Another participant reflects on the role of activation energy and the conditions required for the reaction to proceed, noting that at RTP, nitrous oxide does not have enough energy to overcome this barrier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that while the reaction is thermodynamically favorable due to negative Gibbs free energy, it is not kinetically favorable at RTP due to insufficient activation energy. However, there is no consensus on the specifics of how these concepts interact or the implications for the stability of nitrous oxide.

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Limitations include the lack of detailed exploration of activation energy and its relationship to temperature, as well as the potential for other factors influencing the stability of nitrous oxide that are not discussed.

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why doesn't nitrous oxide decompose to nitrogen and oxygen at rtp even though the gibbs free energy is -105 ?

thanks!
 
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Well, I'm not sure about the free energy and all, but nitrous oxide won't turn back into oxygen and nitrogen unless it receives enough energy, such as heat, to break the bonds and separate the molecule. The basic reason is that the nitrogen atoms bond with the oxygen atom and cause the oxygen to get a full electron shell, which is favorable for the oxygen. At the same time the nitrogen gets closer to a full shell as well, which is also favorable to the nitrogen.
 
yea from the chemistry point of view, it is stable, but the question ask me why it is stable even though the gibbs free energy is such a negative number.

since gibbs free energy is the measure of the spontaneity of a reaction, the lower the more readily it happens, it says that nitrous oxide will decompose. but it doesn't happen :X
 
I'm not sure, but maybe its because the free energy is only applicable to work in the system? I'm not very familiar with free energy, sorry.
 
ok thanks anyway
 
quietrain said:
why doesn't nitrous oxide decompose to nitrogen and oxygen at rtp even though the gibbs free energy is -105 ?

thanks!
A reaction may be thermodynamically favorable but not kinetically. Do you know the difference? Look it up and get back with what you found.
 
hi
negative free energy indicates that the reaction is spontanious but the reaction needs to start an activation energy
 
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oh i see...

so if my temperature is not high enough, then the molecules do not gain enough energy in the first place to kick start the reaction, so at rtp, no reaction occur

gibbs free energy is a measure of spontaneity of the reaction, the tendency of the reaction to continue, but there is a need for a "spark" to start it?

i was looking at this link http://web.tock.com/kalee/chem32/kinT/
and i realize i actually learned before :X

but i don't remember is it physics or chemistry...

it is all about the activation energy the transition states , reactants and products

so thermodynamically, time is not considered, and so it is an indication of how stable the produce is to the reactant, so -Gibbs energy = more stable, so more favorable thermodynamically

but the activation energy , kinetically favorable, is required for the reaction to occur in the first place, and for rtp, the nitrous oxide does not get enough temp to get enough energy so it does not have enough activation energy so not kinetically favorable?

thanks!
 

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