Why Don't Glassblowing Pipes Get Too Hot to Hold?

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The discussion centers around the question of why glassblowing pipes do not become too hot to hold during the glassblowing process. Participants explore the thermal properties of materials involved, particularly focusing on the role of stainless steel pipes and the insulating effects of molten glass. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and seeks to understand the mechanisms of heat transfer in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that stainless steel has relatively low thermal conductivity, but questions whether this alone explains the phenomenon, given the long history of glassblowing.
  • Another participant explains that glass is a poor conductor of heat, suggesting that the temperature gradient occurs primarily within the glass, allowing the pipe to remain cooler at the handle end.
  • It is proposed that the length of the pipe aids in dissipating heat through convection and radiation.
  • A later reply discusses the counterintuitive idea that using a pipe made of a material with higher thermal conductivity, like iron, could result in a cooler handle due to the temperature gradient being limited by the glass's low conductivity.
  • Participants engage in clarifying the implications of thermal conductivity on heat dissipation and temperature differences along the pipe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the role of thermal conductivity in heat transfer, with some agreeing on the importance of the glass's properties while others seek clarification on the implications of using different materials for the pipes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relative contributions of conduction and convection in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about heat transfer mechanisms, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical aspects of the temperature gradients involved.

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Hi. Often, when I am a tour guide at the Museum of Glass, Tacoma,WA. glassblowing shop. I get a question for which I don't have a definitive answer. I thought someone might know.
The question is "why don't the glassblowing pipes(steel tubes, 4.5 feet long, .75" wide) get too hot to hold"
Some of the tour guides say that it is the stainless steel which has a relatively low thermal conductivity(which it does), but that can't be the whole story since stainless pipes are relatively new and that doesn't account for at least 1900 years of glassblowing.
I tell them it is a combination of two things. One the shape of the pipe which has a high surface area to mass ratio so it radiates heat efficiently, the other is that once a pipe head is covered in glass it is to some extent insulated from the heat of the gloryhole.
Which is a bigger factor in the cooling of the handle end of the pipe? Conduction or convection from the surface?

What's your take??

PS. Do you know of anyone who has addressed this question experimentally?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Glass is a very poor conductor of heat. The thermal conductivity of glass is about 10% of stainless steel, and only about 1% to 2% of iron and most steels.

So if you have a layer of molten glass at say 1500C around the end of the pipe, about 90% of the temperature gradient will be inside the glass. In other words the hot end of the pipe will be at about 150C, and you then have the length of the pipe to dissipate that heat by convection and radiation to the air.

It is counter-intuitive, but if you used an iron or non-stainless steel pipe which has an even higher thermal conductivity, the pipe would be even cooler, because the rate of heat flow is limited by what can conduct through the glass not what can conduct along the pipe, and the temperature gradient along the pipe would be smaller.
 
Thanks for your help, AlephZero.
I am not a scientist, so I am still a little unclear about the last paragraph.
Do you mean that the pipe with higher thermal conductivity is better able dissipate the heat before it reaches the handle?
Or perhaps something else?


AlephZero said:
Glass is a very poor conductor of heat. The thermal conductivity of glass is about 10% of stainless steel, and only about 1% to 2% of iron and most steels.

So if you have a layer of molten glass at say 1500C around the end of the pipe, about 90% of the temperature gradient will be inside the glass. In other words the hot end of the pipe will be at about 150C, and you then have the length of the pipe to dissipate that heat by convection and radiation to the air.

It is counter-intuitive, but if you used an iron or non-stainless steel pipe which has an even higher thermal conductivity, the pipe would be even cooler, because the rate of heat flow is limited by what can conduct through the glass not what can conduct along the pipe, and the temperature gradient along the pipe would be smaller.
 
waltl said:
Do you mean that the pipe with higher thermal conductivity is better able dissipate the heat before it reaches the handle?
No it means the higher conductivity metal is colder at the glass end - because it is connected to a cold thing = you.
The biggest temperature difference will then be between the glass end of the pipe and the molten glass - since this temperature difference is across low conductivity glass there is less overall heat flow.

A good way of thinking about it is the traffic jams that would be caused if an 8 lane highway went down to 1 lane - compared to it being 4 lanes all the way
 

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