Why exp(ikx-iwt) and not exp(ikx+iwt)?

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The discussion revolves around the choice of the wave function form ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}## over ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}## in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically within the framework of Schrödinger's equation. Participants explore the implications of these forms, their origins, and their physical interpretations.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind using ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}## instead of ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}##, seeking a deeper understanding of the underlying principles.
  • Another participant states that the time exponent is derived from the solution to a time-independent Hamiltonian in Schrödinger's equation, implying a lack of further explanation for why Schrödinger's equation describes nature.
  • A participant notes that ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}## represents a wave moving to the right, while ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}## corresponds to a wave moving to the left.
  • It is mentioned that both forms are solutions to Schrödinger's equation, and participants are encouraged to verify this by substitution.
  • One participant points out that using ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}## would imply negative energy, linking this to the definition of the energy operator in quantum mechanics.
  • A later reply acknowledges confusion regarding the signs in the exponentials and discusses the separation of variables method for solving the free-particle Schrödinger equation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the two forms of the wave function, with some agreeing that both are solutions to Schrödinger's equation while others highlight the significance of the sign in relation to energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper reasons for the preference of one form over the other.

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The time independent free particle is described by the equation ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}##. Why do we use this equation instead of ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}##. I know the answer is "because that's how nature works," but I want to know why we think nature works that way. Where did we get these equations from? Why was ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}## postulated and not ##e^{i(kx+\omega t)}##?

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The time exponent part is just the solution to a time independent Hamiltonian inserted into Schrödinger's equation, there really isn't much more to it... now if you want to ask how come Schrödinger's equation describes nature then you're out out of luck pal.
 
Both forms are solutions to Schrödinger's equation. See for yourself by substituting each one into the SE.
 
jtbell said:
Both forms are solutions to Schrödinger's equation. See for yourself by substituting each one into the SE.
But with the exp(ikx+iwt), the energy would be negative. This is because the energy operator is iħ∂t instead of -iħ∂t as it is in the momentum operator (of course in the momentum operator the derivative is with respect to position). I've always thought the energy operator was defined that way because of the sign on iwt. So I'm getting that this is just a convention so that the function evolves with time in a certain way.
 
You're right, the solution with ##+i \omega t = +iEt/\hbar## isn't valid. Somehow I was thinking of these versions: ##e^{-i(\omega t - kx)}## and ##e^{-i(\omega t + kx)}## which puts the ± on the kx.

As to why it has to be ##-i \omega t = -iEt/\hbar##, have you seen how to solve the free-particle SE by using separation of variables, i.e. ##\Psi(x,t) = \psi(x)f(t)##?
 

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