Why "Green's function" is used more than "correlations" in QFT?

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The discussion revolves around the usage of "Green's function" versus "correlations" in quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the implications of these terms, their interpretations, and their relevance in different contexts such as statistical physics and quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants suggest that "Green's function" is used more frequently than "correlations" in QFT, noting that this may stem from a probabilistic interpretation that is often overlooked.
  • Others argue that standard textbooks appropriately teach the probabilistic interpretation of quantum theory, emphasizing the importance of time-ordered vacuum expectation values derived from the time-evolution operator.
  • A participant points out that in many-body states, various correlation functions are necessary, not just time-ordered ones, and mentions the need for contour-ordered Green's functions in equilibrium scenarios.
  • One participant draws a parallel between quantum mechanics and probability, suggesting that the expectation value in quantum mechanics is akin to the expected value in probability, though historical terminology may differ.
  • Another participant expresses the view that QFT could be seen as a generalization of probability concepts, advocating for a clearer connection between the two fields.
  • References are provided to examples where probability language is utilized in statistical mechanics and QFT, indicating that such interpretations do exist.
  • A participant notes that terms like "partition function" and "connected correlation function" are not identical but are analytic continuations of each other, related to real and imaginary time.

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Participants express differing views on the prominence and interpretation of "Green's function" versus "correlations" in QFT. There is no consensus on whether the probabilistic interpretation is adequately emphasized or if it should be more integrated into the language of QFT.

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Participants highlight the historical context of terminology and the potential for confusion between different interpretations of similar concepts in quantum mechanics and statistical physics. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the relationship between these fields.

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Very often, the term "Green's function" is used more than "correlations" in QFT. For example, the notation:

$$<\Omega|T\{...\}|\Omega> =: <...>$$

appears in Schwartz's QFT book. And it seems very natural, basically because the path integral definition of those terms "looks like" the probabilistic average of a given measure.

So, it seems it would make sense to do the following:

$$<\Omega|T\{...\}|\Omega> := <...>$$

But in general (I think Schwartz is an exception) the probabilistic/average interpretation is basically ignored.

And this is surprising, because for example in statistical physics, say with the Ising model, one has the probabilistic interpretation, but not the Hilbert space one.

As a consequence, it seems the probabilistic interpretation is wider in scope. But in general, I think it is somewhat downplayed.

Do you have this same feeling? If so, why does that happen?
 
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No, in standard textbooks rightfully the probabilistic interpretation of quantum theory is taught right away. That in vacuum QFT the time-ordered vacuum expectation values are the most important quantities comes from the solution of the time-evolution operator for states in the interaction picture, where time ordering immediately occurs.

For more general many-body states you need all kinds of correlation functions, not only time-ordered ones. Even in equilibrium when using the real-time (Schwinger-Keldysh contour) formalism you need contour-ordered Green's functions, which can be expressed in terms of all kinds of orderings (time-ordered, anti-time-ordered, fixed-ordered Wightman). For an introduction see

https://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/off-eq-qft.pdf
 
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In quantum mechanics, one can find that sandwiching an operator between a bra and ket gives the expectation value, so it is the same as the expectation value in probability (maybe the only difference is that it is more often called the expected value). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_value_(quantum_mechanics)

Some quirks are just historical like partition function instead of characteristic function, and connected correlation function instead of cumulant because of the Feynman diagrams for the correlations.
 
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I agree, I also remember thinking that QFT had a language that seemed the generalization to infinite dimensions of the characteristic function and the cumulants. With this language, it is just common sense that the correlations are everything that is needed to "reconstruct" the theory.

But I think that this "dictionary" of terms between physical theories and probability is not encouraged. Or maybe it is just me.
 
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partition function instead of characteristic function, and connected correlation function instead of cumulant
These are in both cases not the same object but analytic continuations of each other (corresponding to real resp. imaginary time).
 
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