Why Hasn't Mars Ice Core Samples Research Been Attempted?

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The discussion revolves around the lack of attempts to study Martian ice core samples, exploring the potential benefits of such research for understanding Mars' past climate and the possibility of ancient microbial life. Participants consider the advancements in technology since earlier proposals and the implications for future missions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights an old article suggesting that Martian ice core samples could provide insights into past climate and potential life, questioning why such efforts have not been pursued with modern technology.
  • Another participant notes that current missions, such as ExoMars, seem to focus on searching for exo-life rather than specifically targeting polar ice samples.
  • A different participant expresses surprise at the lack of attempts to sample polar regions, emphasizing the potential value of ice core analysis compared to current missions.
  • One participant reflects on the evolution of NASA's strategies, mentioning that earlier missions targeted ice caps and discovered unexpected water sources, suggesting a shift in focus over time.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the speculative nature of future discoveries, emphasizing the absence of verified evidence for water deposits on Mars and proposing that any found water may originate from cometary debris.

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Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the study of Martian ice cores. While some see potential benefits and advancements in technology, others question the validity of current claims about water on Mars and the direction of ongoing missions. No consensus is reached on the necessity or feasibility of ice core sampling.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of current knowledge regarding Martian water sources and the speculative nature of future research directions. There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of findings related to water on Mars.

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http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mars-polar-ice-sample-return-1977-1978/

I found this old Wired article interesting. It makes me wonder, with all the cash that is thrown at Mars exploration these days, why an updated version of this has not been attempted? It would seem that analysis of a Martian ice core sample could yield some answers concerning past climate or even possible ancient microbial life. Ice cores have been good sources for information on Earth, so they should offer a fairly useful record of Mars' distant past.
Given that technology is more advanced today than it was in 1978, the analysis might even be possible right there on Mars without the need for a return mission. Analyzing the core on Mars would certainly limit the possibility of contaminants from Earth.
Why is it that the idea of studying Martian ice cores has seemingly been abandoned?
 
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Why is it that the idea of studying Martian ice cores has seemingly been abandoned?
https://exomars.cnes.fr/en/EXOMARS/index.htm
This seems to be "state of the art" for searching for exo-life these days.
 
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Thanks for the link. It looks like a very toned down version of what they planned back in 1978. It doesn't sound like they're taking a polar region sample, but I guess at least it's something after almost 40 years of waiting for an ice core sample mission. I was just surprised they hadn't attempted it, given NASA's motto of "follow the water" when looking for evidence of life on Mars. The polar region is water, sittin' right there on the surface just waiting to be sampled. I think an experiment like the one proposed in 1978 might yield more answers than what they've been doing lately. I guess we'll see what they get up to in that 2018 mission if it is successful.
 
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Glad you enjoyed the link, that is of course only one of many missions coming up in the near future. It seems these latest programs are what the earlier (70's etc.) have led up to and they are refining the search parameters for past or present lifeforms. Early in the Mars exploration game NASA targeted the ice caps as a best bet plan for finding water and discovered what was expected to be frozen CO2 turned out to be a large percentage of H2O. Later on it was realized that "following the water" wasn't very difficult as there are signs of it everywhere. Here are a couple of relevant links you might find interesting, let me know your thoughts after you have time to read them.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mars2020/
By the way I would bet Exo-geology is going to be a booming field in the not too distant future. :smile:
 
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"By the way I would bet Exo-geology is going to be a booming field in the not too distant future."

I hope so.
 
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This sort of wishful speculation makes me uncomfortable. (yes, I acknowledge that is a good thing)

There is no verified evidence to date. Where possible deposits of what may be water is claimed to be seen on Mars.

As a betting man, my money would be? Any water we can find ob Mars, will eventually be tested out as from recent cometary debris. Which would be valuable data in it's own right.
 

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