Why is b>1 and x,y positive in logarithm definition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions for the logarithm function, specifically why the base \( b \) must be greater than 1 and why the arguments \( x \) and \( y \) must be positive. Participants explore the implications of these conditions on the definition and properties of logarithmic functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the conditions on \( b \), \( x \), and \( y \) relate to the continuity and monotonicity of the logarithm function in certain intervals.
  • Others argue that logarithms are not defined for negative numbers or zero, and that a base of \( b \) equal to 1 is not valid.
  • One participant notes that if \( b < 1 \), the logarithm can be expressed in terms of a base greater than 1, suggesting that bases below 1 are unnecessary.
  • There is a contention regarding whether the expression provided is a definition of logarithms, with differing opinions on its status.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the conditions for \( b \), \( x \), and \( y \). There is no consensus on whether the expression is a definition of logarithms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the potential for complex numbers, but this remains an unresolved aspect of the discussion. The implications of using bases less than 1 are also noted but not fully explored.

UchihaClan13
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A simple doubt came to my mind while browsing through logarithmic functions and natural logarithms
we define
$$\log_b(xy) = \log_b(x) + \log_b(y)$$
Here
why is the condition imposed that b>1 and b is not equal to zero and that x and y are positive numbers?
Is it something to do with the function being continuous and monotonically increasing or decreasing in certain intervals(1,infinity) and (0,1) respectively?UchihaClan13
 
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You need the three terms to be defined to have an equation. Unless you introduce complex numbers, the logarithm is not defined for negative numbers, and a zero or negative base doesn't make sense, and b=1 doesn't work either. A base between 0 and 1 would be possible, but odd.
 
X and Y must be positive because if logA(X) = B, then AB=X. Since you cannot raise A to any power and get a negative number (except possibly with complex numbers, not sure) X must be positive. The same applies for Y.
 
For ##b < 1## one gets ##\log_b x = - \log_{\frac{1}{b}} x## and end up with a basis above ##1##.
Thus there is simply no need to consider basis below ##1##. And of course ##b=1## cannot be defined at all.
 
UchihaClan13 said:
A simple doubt came to my mind while browsing through logarithmic functions and natural logarithms
we define
$$\log_b(xy) = \log_b(x) + \log_b(y)$$

UchihaClan13

This is not a definition.
 
Math_QED said:
This is not a definition.

It can be.
 
Thats just definition of logarithms
 

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