Why Is Calculating Tension in a Frictionless Pulley System Confusing?

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The discussion centers on calculating the tension in a frictionless pulley system involving two masses, each weighing 10.0 kg, with one mass accelerating upward at 4.905 m/s². Participants emphasize the importance of applying Newton's second law correctly, specifically using the equations of motion for both masses. The correct approach involves setting up two equations based on the forces acting on each mass and solving for the tension in the rope while considering the direction of acceleration. The conclusion highlights the necessity of careful attention to signs and directions in force calculations.

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Newton's Laws Problem--confused

This has been frustrating me:

Problem:

The pulley in the figure is essentially weightless and frictionless. Suppose someone holds on to m=10.0 kg and accelerates it upward at 4.905 m/s/s. What will then be the tension in the rope given that M=10.0 kg?

Attempt:

The sum of the forces on m = Ftension + Fhand - Fgravity = ma
The sum of the forces on M = Ftension - Fgravity = Ma

I said Fhand= m * upward acceleration

I tried solving for 'a' on both equations, then set them equal to each other to solve for Ftension. This gave me a ridiculous answer, and I'm pretty sure I didn't screw up my math. I must have set it up wrong? Please help!
 

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Acceleration of M will also be 4.9 m/s2. Apply F = Ma to get tension. F = Mg - T.
 
Don't assume what Fhand is... you only know that m accelerates upwards at 4.905m/s^2, therefore the other mass accelerates downwards at 4.905m/s^2

you should get 2 equations with 2 unknowns (Fhand and tension). solve for the tension. careful about signs and directions... remember one mass accelerates upwards, the other accelerates downwards.
 

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